Joan’s future at McCann-Erickson

 Posted by on April 28, 2015 at 12:57 pm  Mad Men, Season 7
Apr 282015

In discussing Mad Men episode 7.11, Time & Life, a number of Basketcases have speculated on Joan’s fate at McCann. Will she be given any accounts? Will she be fired, with her contract bought out?

To me it’s pretty obvious what Joan despaired of, when she said to Pete, “he listed off accounts for everyone but me”. She was talking not about having work, but about having respect. To Jim Hobart, Joan was not worth enticing by naming something that would thrill her. Ortho Pharmaceutical was specifically dangled in front of Ted only an episode after he said a pharmaceutical was his dream account. Each of the male partners, in fact, was told they would have their personal fantasy account. Joan was simply…ignored.

Joan is a partner with a contract, it’s probably more trouble to buy her out than to give her an office and throw some accounts her way—she’ll keep Topaz pantyhose, Avon, anything else girly. Maybe they’ll let her work on tampons or something. But they’ll never treat Joan like she matters, and they’ll never protect her from the toxic bro culture allowed to thrive at McCann.

Here’s a thing we know about corporate culture: It’s malleable based on what management encourages and discourages. In Severance, Peggy and especially Joan were subjected to relentless sexist insults in a business meeting. Are there sexists at SC&P? Of course. Do we think that kind of behavior is allowed at SC&P? Hell, no. Because when the partners put a stop to it, that trickles down, and the whole atmosphere becomes more civil. Seeing how those guys behaved in that meeting, we know, we know, that this kind of behavior is allowed everywhere in McCann, with smiles and back slaps and winks. And Joan, who knows everything about the behind-the-scenes ways that companies truly function, knows this better than anyone. When the SC&P partners arrive at McCann, they will have sexy accounts, but no managerial power that Jim Hobart and Ferg Donnelly can’t undermine at will.

For the next four years, in order to keep her money and fulfill her non-compete, Joan will live in sexual harassment hell, and no one with power will protect her.


  71 Responses to “Joan’s future at McCann-Erickson”

  1. I think it was Jane Mass who endured unwanted advances from a VP at Ogilvy. She was afraid to tell her husband because she wanted him on her side of the prison bars (thinking he would shoot the SOB). After nearly a year of that crap she dropped a veiled plea to Ogilvy – who took care of it.

    • Ogilvy was one of the few places where women could work with a bit of dignity. BTW–I’ve often thought that Peggy is modeled after creative director Jane Maas.

      • To paraphase Bobby’s statement to his Dad:

        (to Peggy)

        “We’ve got to get you a new boyfriend”

        Maybe Maas’ hubby has a brother?

  2. Fabulous screen shots of Joan! Frozen in time, you can see exactly how angry Joan is. I just noticed that Joan is wearing a bow tie in the McCann Erickson meeting that is almost identical to the tie worn by Peggy in their earlier meeting. Maybe Peggy’s advice did not fall completely on deaf ears.

    I am still holding out hope that Joan and Peggy somehow split from M-E and start their own agency.

    Anyone else think it odd that Don is seated in the center of the SCP group? I would think Roger, as president, would be in the center. Don definitely looks intense and a bit frightened…and his colors match Joan’s. I also picked up on Don wearing a solid red tie at least once in the episode. Who knows where we are headed but thanks a million for the wonderful summary. I just can’t imagine Don sitting back and allowing the toxic M-E environment to degrade Joan or Peggy or himself. Unless, of course, he falls back on drinking heavily which I just don’t see as where he is headed….gosh I wish MM streamed!

    • I just can’t imagine Don sitting back and allowing the toxic M-E environment to degrade Joan or Peggy

      I’d love to see Don deliver a Jimmy Barrett style knockdown. Those big Irish boys should have to take it from someone their own size.

    • Okay, but … there was nothing really wrong with what Joan was wearing at the earlier meeting.

  3. Joan at McCann would make a good sequel.

    • We could only be so lucky as to have a Joan or Peggy sequel. “Better Call Saul” is fabulous so there is a precedent at AMC.

    • I think any of the female characters would be a place for a sequel to pick up, but i think it’d need recasting so everyone can move on career wise.

      Or… follow the careers of the minor characters. Dawn and Shirley. Meredith! A MEREDITH spin off!

      • I bet they would do it, there is plenty of time for other projects when you do thirteen episodes a year. These same actors made movies while doing Mad Men.

        • but now I’ve got a Dawn Shirley Meredith show in my head, where mad men folk occasionaly pop in.

      • I would love, love, LOVE a Meredith spinoff!

  4. At McCann the Suits rule. Joan will become like Don Draper; the money won’t matter anymore, just her self respect. In the end, Joan will seek out work as an employee of Peggy Olson when she walks away from McCann. I think back to how Joan treated Peggy and the other secretaries in seasons past. A lot of those secretaries would love to boil Joan in oil. It probably entered Peggy’s mind too. I don’t think Joan ever accepted Peggy’s meteoric rise that that of copywriter; especially because Peggy didn’t sleep her way to the job. Joan was having her afternoon trysts with Roger. Joan was a competent office manager, but all the Suits at Sterling Cooper all thought she got her job and kept it because of Roger. I think that it would be poetic justice Mad Men style for Joan to eat an appropriate amount of crow in front of Peggy. Peggy will be magnanimous with her former boss. She will need Joan’s talent to get the agency off the ground. She will need Joan to help her deal with the other Suits, the bankers, to get the financing for the new agency.

    In a final act of Mad Men poetic justice, Roger Sterling will leave his entire estate to his son Kevin. He will proclaim his fatherhood of Kevin and leave Joan well off enough to be able to choose work instead of having to work.

    • Joan is quite the “polymath” – self-taught no less. She may have started out (at series opener) as Office Manager, but that was only a beginning.

      When Harry succeeded in creating his Media Dept, Joan fished his nuts out of the fire (which he rewarded by shoving her over when he got budget for a new hire).

      When Lane Pryce and the rest formed the outlaw ad firm, it was he who trained Joan to expand her skills into finance – no mean trick without the schooling Lane undoubtedly had. She trained to the point where the first underwriter (or whatever he was) complimented her impeccable books (balance sheet, etc.)

      Then with no training whatever, Joan improvised her way with Avon and forestalled a firing with snot-nosed Butler-shoes MBA.

      Lets recap:

      Office Manager
      Media Consultant

      Only thing left is that thing Peggy does and Don used to do.

      • Joan is smart, she is a college graduate who impressed Roger with her brains too. Joan entered the business world when most women were getting their MRS degrees. Women like Betty Draper and Trudy Campbell among others. I really believe that Bert Cooper, Don Draper and Roger Sterling all knew exactly just how valuable Joan was and is. That is something that those jerks at McCann never will understand. Remember when Roger had his heart attack, it was Joan who helped Bert late that night reassuring the clients that Sterling Cooper will be there for them. You are preaching to the choir jahnghalt!

        • IT seems right that Joan has a BS/BA/Associates – but I don;t recall the reference (was it her besotted old friend – a college roomate?). IF so, it would follow Joan got the paper.

          All the core and supporting women are beyond competent and authentic ot a fault (even if Betty’s big accomplishment was to be able to order drinks and shoot down mashers in Italian) – what could be a stronger paean to women?

          Makes the McCann boys look all the more (darkly) comic.

          • That should be “besotted old friend who tried to kiss Joan and say to pretend she’s a man.”

            (Joan: “you’re very tired”)

      • AND she finessed the Butler account by a brilliant strategy she herself conceived and executed perfectly.

  5. I want Joan, Peggy, Shirley, and Dawn to start their own agency. Wouldn’t that be a great spin-off? (it won’t happen, but I can dream…)

    I’m gonna speculate for the weekly Mad Fashion review at TLo and make note that Joan is wearing a blouse with either window panes or bricks in its red white and blue design… she’s either opening a window to escape this prison or building a wall to put up with all their crap! (I’m going to post this at Tom& Lorenzo too. 🙂 )

    • “I want Joan, Peggy, Shirley, and Dawn to start their own agency. Wouldn’t that be a great spin-off? (it won’t happen, but I can dream…)’


      That could really be wonderful. The first guest star could be a young Gloria Steinem talking to them about Ms. Magazine. Don could even drop in on them once and awhile, just to tell them how great they are.

    • A thought. Didn’t Allison tell Don that she was leaving SCDP and going to work at a magazine headed by a woman? Going there might offer some exciting and fulfilling possibilities for them all. Writing, in-house ad department, circulation, accounting dept, etc.

      • Oooh! Good catch Smiler! We could at least write fan fiction about it! 😉

        • I wish Mad Men could run forever! We’re so invested in these people and it would be a kick to see how things turn out for them.

          • I’d give it another year or two to let the burnout dissipate, but if I were to interview Matt Weiner, I’d say that Mad Men was the Heavyweight Championship and that Muhammad Ali retired three times.

            Just sayin’

            OTOH, Bert said it: “even Napoleon didn’t come back from leave”.

    • I saw a checker or chess board, which of course is the kind of “game” both sides are playing. If M-E had the Ralston-Purina account, Hobart could have enticed Joan with the “Checkerboard Square” account. Even animal chows are preferable to nothing–Goat Chow, Red?

  6. I am truly sorry that Mad Men appears to be ending in 1970 or perhaps, 1971. We all know what Joan, Peggy and all of the SC&P women will be subjected to at McCann – a toxic blend of invisibility and disrespect. As my great great Aunt Emma (born in 1880) used to say: “It’s a sin and a shame.”

    I grieve that none of the women on the show (or the men, for that matter) won’t benefit, learn and grow from the coming wave of feminist consciousness, as the 1970s unfold. Maybe they will, at McCann and elsewhere, I’m just sad that we won’t be seeing it.

  7. In addition to that scene in Severance with Joan and Peggy, another indication of the corporate culture at McCann was when Hobart commented about good manners as he watched Roger pull the chair out for Joan. One would only make a comment like that if it was something he did not see often or expect in his office. If Hobart expected manners and civility towards the woman in the office, he would not have commented at all. I think Joan is in for a tough run. I also think Peggy is too. She has become quite outspoken and comfortable in her position. She speaks her mind to all the partners. I don’t think anyone at McCann would be used to that from a woman regardless of talent or status.

  8. There is no doubt that the culture at McCann Erickson tolerates harassment. But, we might see Joan’s ordeal end quickly by having Pete slug someone. Pete loves punching people and there is a special bond between Pete and Joan, even if it is a creepy one. After all, it was Pete who approached her with the whole Herb offer. All it will take is Pete sucker punching someone and promising the same treatment for everyone else along with promising to phone their wives.

    • I’d like to see Pete do that – but he’d better make that punch count. Some of those Irishmen could wipe up the floor with ol’ Skinny Pete.

    • AND let’s not forget that it was ME fratboys who used the waterballoons to douse the black protesters outside the ME offices.

      BTW the enlightened SC& Partners hired Dawn in that same episode more than 5+ years ago and in the interim years to the latest episode it appears that Dawn and Shirley remain the only black employees at SC& Partners.

  9. If you could put Joan and Peggy in a time machine and drop them into 1980–you’d see a very different picture where women in accounts, media and creative (except art) became far more common and in some agencies–routine! The best opportunities were in mid-sized agencies though, not the behemoths. And then in the 1980s women started arriving client side in non-‘feminine’ companies, like airlines and car rental.

    • I do speak from personal experience having grown up through (and survived) Y&R, Scali McCabe Sloves, LHSP&B, (ad manager) New York Air and (advertising and marketing) Avis from late 1970s-2001.

      • Left out year at McCann sister agency Campbell-Ewald where women in both accounts and creative were treated respectfully-later 1980s. Different Midwest culture and not so bare knucks. I had a dispute with a crazed art director on an off the wall model expenditure for Eastern Airlines. Not only did I stand up to him (literally) face to face but my EVP backed me 100%. Then again, I had been toughened by 3 years in the airline business….

    • What a difference 10 years made!

  10. I LOVE Joan, but the elephant in the room that I (maybe I missed it) have not seen in all the blogs and comments on blogs regarding how Jim “a real asshole, even by McCann standards” Hobart mistreated her; is how she obtained her partnership.

    It is unfair, God knows all the scummy things the others did to become partners; but, there was a double standard then and unfortunately, it remains to too great an extent today.

    We were shown the frat boy mentality that is pervasive at McCann, McCann has a close relationship with GM, and I have to believe that Joan’s tryst with the dealership honcho quickly became gossip. That may be a big part of the reason the McCann account execs said some of the things they did.

    None of that is offered as an excuse for Hobart’s attitude, and I am convinced it is not the only reason; but, it must be considered in any honest discussion.

    • It is a small world. It is most probable that the arrangement with Herb is known around town. Joan’s decision to trade sex for a partnership may be coming back to haunt her.

    • Wasn’t that Jaguar? I don’t think Brit and Yank car dealers talked together that much.

      • Maybe car dealers not that much, but Herb is jerk and I wouldn’t put it past him to blab to another agency after Don dropped him. It would have gone through the ad agency gossip mill.

        • I also wouldn’t imagine many people believing Herb, and would have expected him to get kicked out of Jaguar with some indiscretion as his predecessor (Lane’s friend with the gum on his pubis!) had.

          • Herb is an independent business man with a number of automobile brands. His statements indicated that Jaguar was the tail, not the dog. He would be the one to kick Jag out of his dealership.

            Lane’s ex-pat friend, OTOH, was a replaceable suit. Big Difference.

            I quite agree that Herb gives off a stink and that his gossip might well be disregarded.

            • Car dealers in 1970 didn’t do as much multi-line as they do now and specifically if you had a US make were you allowed to carry an import? (Kicking away cobwebs) there were import car dealers and then there were American car dealers–Ford, Chrysler, GM and American Motors (AMC). Late 50s/early 60s there were Studebaker dealers who took on Mercedes–I know from car ads (collecting), but Stude was gone by ’64. Brit car dealers would sell Jag, MG, Triumph, Rover etc.

              It’s a really good question re old Herb who I think was in Morristown NJ?

            • @Dee,

              I’d think that Weiner and researchers would try to make Herb’s power and dealership “real”.

              I forget the other lines he mentioned. His insult to Don almost implied he did a lot of used cars, too.

    • GM doesn’t know. Herb knows that he traded the account for Joan, but might not admit it because it would mean admitting he had to buy her–he probably says (if he brags) that she was a willing partner. BUT Herb doesn’t know her partnership was part of the deal.

      Other than the partners, the people at SC&P who know are Kenny and Harry, and whoever they gossiped to. Kenny wouldn’t blab to McCann, since he hates them.

      McCann might ultimately find out, but they don’t know yet.

      • With all due respect Deborah, as it has not been revealed either way; I do not see how you can be so adamant that they don’t know. Jim Hobart and McCann have information resources out the “you know what”.

        Also, as a man, I am extremely confident that a sleaze ball like Herb has talked and talked and talked about this to almost any man who would listen. Guys like him can’t help themselves, it is part of “the conquest”.

        • But would he really say, “she did it to get the account”? Wouldn’t he say, “I hit that” (in period-appropriate language) and leave it at that, to make himself look better?

          And again, he doesn’t know the partnership was part of the deal. He wouldn’t be privy to that. Only people inside SC&P know, and yes, that can get out, but not via Herb.

        • Hobart might put two and two together – but Jag is tiny and went to some other firm after Don fired them.

          It’s no slam dunk that he would make the connection. Even if he did, my sense is that Hobart is competitive business-wise but not particularly sleazy. He would see little advantage, and potentially much harm, in outing Joan.

  11. Vanity Fair is reporting that CA does not recognize the validity of non-compete clauses. For almost all, a move to CA would put a nice bow on things: Joan can move to be with her new lover; the reunited Pete and Trudy can find a private school to admit Tammy, Don can be at peace by the ocean flooded with Anna memories (perhaps with Stephanie and her child), Roger and Marie can be close to Marie’s daughter who I despise so much her name can’t be mentioned). Ted has made clear he doesn’t want to go back but maybe the draw of his kids…but I don’t see Peggy leaving NYC unless she ends up with Stan who was really the first person at SC&P to contemplate the move to CA to service Sunkist.

    • Non-compete clauses were enforceable in California up until 2006.

    • Hollywood ending!

    • That’s some great grist for a bi-coastal drama, but time grows short.

      : – {

      I didn’t see the article, but the Vanity Fair statement is not relevant to 1970 (wrong tense). Even if they did get the tense right, without some indication that they did the work, I’d be loathe to take such a statement to the bank.

  12. Deb is spot on with this assessment. The organizational culture including the treatment of women and other underrepresented employees regardless of their role and rank always starts at the top. Same now as it was then.

    Let’s be clear about McCann and Hobart. McCann is Hell and Hobart is Satan – period, end of story. There have been some opinions that Hobart and McCann is not so bad and that this was just a business deal but the facts and writing don’t bear that out.

    First we have a really clear theme in this episode set up by past episodes that it is never just business with McCann – it is personal. Don’s pitch doesn’t work because money is not is the issue. Don is right, McCann is leaving lots of money on the table and there is probably a good business case for SC&P West but this is not about money, it is about acquiring, subjugating and slaughtering(?) a rival clan not unlike what happened to the MacDonald’s three hundred years earlier (a great catch by Basketcase Donna51). McCann places more stock in plain old power and vengeance than in the bottom line. In fact this episode had a lot in common with Game of Thrones and we many not even be to the Red Wedding yet!

    We know that McCann shot Kenny “out of a cannon” because he had the gall just to leave McCann. Let’s just say that McCann doesn’t handle rejection very well. Keeping with the torture and revenge theme Kenny later extracts revenge against SC&P but lets them off the hook after he tires of playing with Pete and Rodger. We already know the corporate culture at McCann because of the scene with Peggy and Joan. At the time I couldn’t put together why this scene seemed over the top to me (even for 1970). The nasty frat boys were not the least bit interested in the business case or value proposition – it was 100% harassment. This scene was there for us to see that the culture at McCann is a big frat house where both management and staff got their start kicking puppies and pulling legs off grasshoppers. There are no throwaway lines in MM so when a minor character like Peggy’s headhunter (who can be trusted because he is in the business) says that McCann is vengeful we viewers better take notice. McCann runs on power and revenge and Hobart is McCann. Hobart has had revenge on his mind for a very long time against Don for twice rejecting him and against Roger for rebuffing and insulting Hobart in the steam room. Who knows, there was probably an event between McCann and Cooper in the day that started the ancient feud and we know Bert would have seen the McCann trap from a mile away.

    Hobart is always in the role of snakey tempter. Every move is sneaky, smooth and duplicitous – and largely motivated by personal not business reasons. In S1 he tries to acquire Don for McCann because of talent but also because he would be a sort of trophy. Hobart first tires to tempt Don with money, power and prestigious clients. Hobart’s second effort involves flattering and manipulating Betty – even Don is surprised he would go so low. In Time & Life he tempts each partner with exactly the client they covet. How does he know this? We don’t know but he is supposed to have almost unearthly powers of persuasion and temptation. When Hobart claims the partners “passed the test” and “died and have gone to advertising heaven” we can be sure they are actually in hell and no one more so than Joan.

    • Fascinating analysis, d davies, and spot-on I think. It is interesting to consider your comments in light of the MacDonald/Campbell situation brought up in the Pete/Trudy storyline.
      Hobart and McCann are out for revenge, but have invited the SC&P partners into the fold, much as the Campbells were under the MacDonald roof as guests when they massacred their hosts.
      With only 3 episodes left (and the real-life history of McCann being a known entity), it seems a stretch that our gang could or would incite a coup from within. Nonetheless, it’s interesting to consider…

    • A couple observations:

      1) Don’s pitch was undermined by paltry figures – $18-million in annual account billings is not exactly chump-change, but not so impressive – it’s only about half of what SCDP walked away with (and $275,000 in “clear profit” is a laugh line).

      2) I held out the possibility that the McCann assholes were behaving badly out-of-school – that they might be the bad apples.

      But, you have mined the Hobart background so thoroughly that, as Hobart insincerely said:

      “You win.”

      • Do you think Don and Peggy are ready “to buy the world a Coke?” That ad came out in 1971.

        • Peggy perhaps – post-series-wrap.

          I think Weiner has something else up his sleeve (has had for several years) for the redoubtable Donald F. Draper.

      • Jahnghalt you are right of course about Don’s numbers – not enough to necessary turn heads at McCann. I actually doubt a “Red Wedding” scenario because of the contracts. It would depend on the terms of the agreements but I’d be interested to hear from a better lawyer than me what action might be needed for McCann to fire or “kill” a SC&P partner without buying them out. From a less symbolic and more practical standpoint McCann’s actions make sense. In one swoop they are getting bigger, acquiring more talent and extinguishing competition while it is still small and vulnerable enough to be absorbed. They will want hang on to Don because of his talent and name and Rodger for the sport of making him miserable.

        You are right about Don too – something else will happen. He doesn’t really need the McCann$ anyway. Poor Joan – as Deb notes she is not tricked by Hobart and not comforted by Pete. She is smart enough to connect the dots and has to be wondering if Herb and four years of hell are was worth it.

        • better lawyer than me

          C Carroll Adams has often talked about TV and film deals – wonder what he knows about Ad Game Partnerships?

          Tilden Katz (Scary Lawyer Guy) might weigh in, too – though I don’t know his specialty.

          The essence of the “merger” was stated by Roger when he pitched the partners in Ep 707:

          “We’ve become a threat and McCann wants to neutralize it with Cold Hard Cash”

          I roughly estimate Joan’s payout at (16%/year)(1.5-million). Don’s is roughly 5 times bigger.

    • Hobart knew what they wanted be cause Roger had Don write the forecast!

      Just like they had poor Kinsey write up a list of up and coming “young” creatives for Duck!

  13. Joand and the rest can’t Shut the Door, Have a Seat themselves out, cause Roger can’t fire them, and they won’t receive the rest of the buyout.
    Business-wise, they are dead.
    The endgame is only about clearing the emotional books, now.
    Joanie seeking genuine love.
    DD seeking self acceptance.
    Peggy seeking recognition for her talent.

    From where I sit, only Peggy will ‘win’ out.
    And, that is going to take YEARS.
    Don Draper has to finesse the situation one last time.
    I suspect he has one last flash of brilliance left, but don’t think it will lead to what he wants.
    Hopefully, he can swing like Tarzan, and save the day for most involved while Joanie watches and claps from the sidelines.

    • The only ones with non compete clauses are the partners.

      Peggy And Stan are free.

      There’s nothing to stop Roger and Don from quitting and bank rolling Peggy and Stan. They can take the conflicting accounts…

      If Joan’s contract is as an accounts person, would she be breaking the law if she went with them to be all of the other roles she is so much better at anyway? Financial, media, management etc…

      Or if she can’t do that maybe richard coukd teach her real estate development. She’d really be good at that too, probably.

      Pete can’t be an accounts man, but maybe he and Trudy would go out to California? Maybe Pete could go into real estate like his ex girlfriend…

      Roger could retire. There’s no reason for him to go.

      Don could “quit advertising and go live life” or as I hope, write.

      The new little firm would just need an account man. Ken’s gone. Torkelson anyone?

      • On the SCDP redux idea:

        Don seems to care little for money – has plenty anyway – and probably values independence more. Roger too, has plenty of money – enough for his remaining days – and he’s got his mojo back as silver-haired account man (and, his potential clients will buy into his vibe).

        Joan could use the Irish-moron perception (as no credible threat) to negoiate a discounted pay-to-leave deal.

        Pete has rode the precipice before – and has more money than before. He’d have to walk away from eff-off money – but might jump anyway.

        Will they try all or some part of that? Guess we “have to watch.”

        • “Don seems to care little for money”: I have seen comments similar to this a number of times and I don’t agree at all. I think he cares a lot about money. Perhaps though, haven been quite poor before he knows better than Roger, Pete, etc. that he can live on much, much less if he has to. But it would definitely be a bit hard for him to choose to go back to that level of poverty. As Bert Cooper sang in his last scene: The best things in life are free.

          • Opening SCP West would hardly involve poverty. Don has at least two-million before taxes after various bonuses, sales of his partnerships, etc. and after paying Megan.

            We’ll see what Weiner has in store.

  14. I don’t see Joan staying at McCann. I think she will marry Mr. Suntan, take a buyout and bring her account skills elsewhere, outside of advertising and in a female dominated field…Lauder, Elizabeth Arden etc..
    She will have choices and wouldn’t have to slog through all this. I think she’s had enough and if shes going to work (and I dont see her as a stay at home Mom), is going to do it somewhere where she gets the respect she deserves.

    • I think she’ll wait four years for the full payoff. She may marry Richard, but Greg forever turned her off of putting her money in a man’s hands.

      • Well, I agree with you in principle, but Joan did not put her actual money into Gregs hands, she put her future in Gregs hands with the understanding he would be a surgeon and his future salary would provide for her future. I think the divorce was a bitter lesson on many levels including financial considerations. But I do think if her relationship progresses and he was to offer her marriage and a position as co-owner or something along that line, she would take the offer. The actual money might work out to be the same amount.

        • My guess (not that it will be addressed in the final three episodes) is that new boyfriend has more than all the partners combined – IWO he has eff-off money several times over.

  15. I have a friend that works for a spinoff office for McCann in NJ. She said they have many offices, including the one that she works in, that have been created to avoid the conflict of interest. She also said there are some old timers who believe Mad Men’s depiction of how McCann was in the 1970s is spot on.

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