Open Thread: The Forecast

 Posted by on April 19, 2015 at 8:00 pm  Scoops & Exclusives, Season 7
Apr 192015

The split season is a bit of a mind-fuck, isn’t it? Because this is the third episode, but it isn’t–it’s the tenth. So we’re moving slowly, but also with swoop-lurchy escalation. Kind of. Okay we don’t know what we’re doing. Just sit back and, as they say, enjoy the ride.

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Announcement! Tonight’s episode is directed by Jennifer Getzinger. She has directed many episodes including Basket favorites A Little Kiss, The Suitcase, The New Girl, The Gypsy and the Hobo, and My Old Kentucky Home–and tonight’s The Forecast is her Mad Men directorial swan song. My sister and I are thrilled that we will be interviewing Ms. Getzinger tomorrow, so watch this space for that interview, coming soon!

Enjoy the episode. See you real soon!


  211 Responses to “Open Thread: The Forecast”

  1. KARL I’M SO SORRY!!! I thought I set it up correctly. JUST FIRE ME OKAY I’M REALLY REALLY SORRY!!!

  2. This may have been addressed previously on BOK, but I apparently missed it. During the first 6 seasons, episode 7 was usually a pivotal one for that season and the series. With S-7 being split, is it still handled that way, or are episodes 3 or 4 like the episode 7, in a non-split season?

  3. T- 58 minutes.

  4. If there is a “Former Mistress of the Week”, I hope it is Joy or Midge!

    • “Former Mistress of the Week” — perfect title for a Mad Men spinoff, if there was going to be one!

      • Lots of options for a spinoff, in terms of setting choices & casting! Both of Don’s ex wives, of course. All of the mistresses & various flings. And we can’t leave out all the women who worked at SC, SCDP and at SC&P. Now where to put ’em all?!? Well, we’re in the 1970s, so group therapy is one setting. A few might experience est. Perhaps a feminist collective. Maybe an ad agency founded and run by women. I’d sure watch a series like that!

    • I’m starting to call “Former Mistress of the Week” Don’s personal “Ballade Des Dames Du Temps Jadis.”

      For Midge, I’m guessing she’ll be last (ep 7.14) to make things full circle (she was the first), but sadly a call from the morgue since she’s now a heroin addict and Don’s her only “respectable” friend.

      Suzanne and Bobbi should be there. Even though Faye wasn’t a mistress, she should come back. With Joy, I’m also hoping she’ll come back since “Jet Set” was surreal like this half of the season so far, plus the reference to planes. May be she’s inherited her father’s estate, wants to start a business for “fun,” and goes to SCDP for advertising.

    • I’m hoping to see Dr. Faye one of these episodes.

  5. T-29 minutes

  6. T-10 minutes.

  7. “Tonight’s episode is directed by Jennifer Getzinger. She has directed many episodes including Basket favorites A Little Kiss, The Suitcase, The New Girl, The Gypsy and the Hobo, and My Old Kentucky Home–and tonight’s The Forecast is her Mad Men directorial swan song. My sister and I are thrilled that we will be interviewing Ms. Getzinger tomorrow, so watch this space for that interview, coming soon!”

    Aww, The Gypsy and The Hobo and My Old Kentucky Home. Can I hope that maybe Smitty will make a guest appearance on this new episode? :::wishful thinking but I suppose anything is possible:::

    That’s great about the interview, Roberta—look forward to reading it!

  8. Well, here we are again.

  9. And Here.



  10. OK, somebody remind me who she is. I should remember, and don’t.

  11. Don still thinks not showing things is a way to sell things.

  12. Hellooo there Joan in a nightgown.

  13. Lou!!!!!

  14. Don doesn’t want an ad with “love” in it.

  15. Lou and his cartoons…

  16. Damnit Lou.

  17. PSYCH! And a walk-in sleazebag… Wasn’t sure how many McLeods would walk in.

  18. “…and so am I.”

    But Betty doesn’t bite.


    • Some wonderful things happened here. Don Draper just told me.

      Damned if I can remember any off the top of my head, though.

      Unless you count Zou Zou as a success but that was a success amongst everyone but Don Draper, wasn’t it.

  20. Jeez, Don, just rent some furniture.

    $85,000 won’t get you a parking space anywhere near that building now.

  21. I love the line, 85 thousand fixer upper

    • Well, Don could probably buy that little building he was renting a place in when he took Layne out on the town years ago… then they could start there and reboot “One Day At A Time!”

  22. I don’t know why, but I like this guy with Joan.

  23. I love seeing Joan happy.

  24. Who is the guy with Joan? He looks very familiar but I can’t place him

  25. Um, Roger didn’t say if he was going with anyone to the Caribbean, did he?

  26. Ahhh…the leisure suit…the downside of nostalgia…

  27. Baby blue leisure suit! Yay!

  28. It IS Glen! Well, cool. Rock-band sideburns and all.

    • Outgrew his baby fat!

      • Army? That is a big jolt.

        • Going OT here a bit:

          Glen just touched on one of my premises of the war – it was class, not generational.

          Four of the six HS in the USA that lost the most graduates were in Philadelphia and all of them were schools where working-class rowhouse families sent their kids. And the school that lost the most, Edison, was all black and Latino.

          That Glen would have that kind of social awareness just blew me away.

    • and those pants. I noticed the pants, because, well, how could you not.

      • As soon as I saw those pants, somehow I knew there was gonna be an actual (and not just sartorial) Brady Bunch reference at some point.

  29. Love the guys leisure suit, my dad wore them.

  30. Glen? My goodness…How old am I?

  31. That’s Glenn?.? I wouldn’t have recognized him either

    • He looked a lot thinner, especially in the face. He’s been starting to look more manly in the last few years but I think the weight loss makes him look even more grown-up.

  32. Glenn Bishop! Paging Dr.Freud…

  33. I’m glad Pete didn’t hear that f-bomb.

  34. Glenn in the Army!?

  35. Are you fucking stupid?

  36. Don is bored with advertising.

  37. This episode is all about trying to think about the future, but no one knows how.

  38. WHY does Don have a sombrero in his office?!

  39. Betty looked at Glen as if she wished he would walk in on her again 🙂

  40. So….things are supposed to get better in the future. Don doesn’t seem convinced!!

  41. Instead of one of Don’s old girlfriends this week, we get one of Betty’s, uh, … well, what would we call Glenn?

  42. I have a feeling Betty is going to give Glenn a sendoff.

  43. Sally has regrets for the way she treated Glen.

  44. The Richard guy: he was in a movie I saw on Netflix last year, about an advertising guy who suffers a breakdown where he can only talk in advertising taglines! Once I got a good look at his eyes…

    “And Now A Word From Our Sponsor.” Had to look it up.

  45. I had Peggy’s dress!!

  46. The color “blue” is everywhere!!!@

  47. OH, CRIPE…………

    Pete is dissolving.

  48. Mathis should’ve gone with the soap bit. He’s no Don Draper.

  49. Some lines only Don Draper can pull off.

  50. Only Don can pull off a line like that. And by the way, when did Ted start looking like Robert Redford? Other than in Peggy’s dreams

  51. Now looking up Sesame Street’s opening credits for Season 1.

  52. “Why don’t you write down all of your dreams so I can shit on them.” The mouth on this episode!

  53. You don’t have any character. You’re just handsome.

  54. Twice. BOOM. (Hinted at before, tho.)

    • I had thought there was a veiled reference about a short marriage back in the Fifties, but it was a long time ago and the mention was just in passing.

      • It was her friend from High School who talked about it, when she visited New York. She said Joan was the first one of her group to do everything,,,marriage included.

  55. Divorced twice? What does Joan mean?

  56. Did we know Joan was married before Dr. Rape?

    • If I remember correctly (highly unlikely), in an episode long ago and far away, Joan mentioned a long-ago 6-month marriage. It was in the episode where her friend came to visit to interview with …. Avon, maybe? They were lounging in Joan’s bedroom giggling about their pasts and the present and Gail wandered through treating them like they were both still in high school. Or maybe I’m just making stuff up, now.

  57. Joan was divorced twice?

    • Her friend from back home (WA State, I think) who worked for Mary Kay, referred to it in the episode when Joan approached Avon.

  58. uh oh….Mrs. Robinson…..

  59. A theme of apology tonight

  60. It was hinted at when Joan’s friend came to town.

    • It was? I don’t remember that, Karl – I do remember Joan’s friend Kate visiting, but not a reference to Joan being married before Greg. What was said??

      • About them making the same mistakes.

      • Joan’s friend said the guy they met reminded her of someone (Scotty maybe?) and Joan said, “Just don’t marry him. That was the worst six months of my life.” Then the friend says, “You always did everything first.” And Joan said, “You always did everything smart.” That’s how we found out about Joan’s first marriage.

  61. Glenn, such a child still.

    • The “forecast” for young Mr Bishop, calls for heavy, dark clouds on the horizon and you don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.

      If I recall correctly, something like two-thirds, or at least half of the U.S. deaths in Vietnam, happened during the Nixon years. Given Glenn’s motivation for signing up and shipping out, I’d say his days are numbered. I mean, nothing would get you kiled quicker, than to be a wide-eyed, gung-ho, devotee to a “just and noble cause,” as it was being pitched in 1970. Some 58,000 guys bought into that notion, wound up with their name chisled onto a black granite wall.

      • Let me revise those numbers. By the end of 1968, the U.S. death toll in Vietnam stood at 36,956. This represents casualties from 1959 through 1968. During the 1968 presidential election race, American voters believed Nixon’s claim that he had a secret plan to end the conflict. Before our Vietnam adventure was over, another 21,293 Americans would be lost. It works out to less than half during Nixon’s five and a half years, compared to those lost in the eight and a half years under Ike, JFK and LBJ.

        Revised stats notwithstanding, Glenn’s chances are still awfully bleak.

    • Glenn is a ringer for Don Brewer, drummer for Grand Funk Railroad. Those are some healthy sideburns.

  62. So, this time Betty was more of an adult.

  63. All uncertain futures and apologies tonight.

  64. I’m trying to seduce you, Mrs. Francis, aren’t I?

  65. Quit giving your father the eyeball, Sally…

  66. Sally’s a brat. I would be thrillled if this was the last I saw of her for a while.

    • Sally is definitely the daughter of Don Draper and Betty Hofstadt Draper.

      She doesn’t like being the daughter of Dick Whitman though.

      • I saw her as trying to make the other girl less interested by telling her that Don grew up poor. It’s a way of protecting her man from competition. Sally is a real blend of her parents. Tonight, we saw the Don/Dick side.

    • Yup, I never warmed to her as much as most BoKers. Never been thrilled about the Glen storyline either.

      • I love the character – I especially love how much is a combination of both her parents. And I am really interested to see if we get the chance to see her being to process the advice Don gave her (as noted in the thread beginning at Post #69)

        • Fair enough. I should have said: I never quite completely bought the “poor Sally” feelings others have. But I agree: the character works. And I do like her brattiness and have been interested in her growth. Her teasing “Betty” at the kitchen table about the colonies and being pregnant was quite good.

          • I think that in the arc of the show, Sally has been pretty much what most kids in the 1960s were: not good or bad or there for a particular purpose, they were just… there.

  67. Dons advice to Sally,,, despite his many episodes of bad parenting, his advice was dead on.

  68. Well, THAT was interesting. Not sure where anything is going.

    • That may have been the exact point of the ep.

      • Exactly – neither do they.

      • Yes, indeed. Every one who tries to see or plan their future is frustrated.

      • It may be just that I can’t figure out why they’re throwing new people at us (like Diana last week) when we all know The End Is Coming. Revisiting older characters makes television sense, so I’m not surprised to see people reappearing (though not necessarily the ones I wanna see) but I keep looking at new characters with an eye toward “how will they help wrap the whole show up?”

  69. And a classic ‘next week on Mad Men’. This was the best episode of this 1/2 seasons thus far, though I guess that means little to most?

  70. Who said Don is going to quit Advertising a week or two ago? I think that’s on the money, quit and move to California in some capacity…

    • I don’t know. I don’t think California has the same appeal to him that it once did.

      • I agree – when Anna was alive there was something there for him.

        But, the culture’s not the same as when he was there visiting her.

        And Megan’s there. If he goes to California, I suspect it won’t be anywhere near where he can run into her.

    • Yesssss! I’ve been hoping for that for years!

  71. Re “The Brady Bunch”: If they got all of the “Bobbys” together they could star in “The Bobby Bunch.”

    • The Brady Bunch aired on Friday evenings at 7:30 PM. Seems an early bedtime for someone Bobby’s age, particularly given that it is late spring/early summer.

      • Isn’t he supposed to be like 13 by now?

        • Yeah – this is annoying me.

          If Sally is 15, Bobby should be no younger than 12, right?

          • I turned 13 in 1970, had a brother 5 1/2 years younger, and parents who were considered “strict”. I basically had no bedtime on Friday nights and regularly made it to the end of The Tonight Show.

          • Seriously annoys me too. Don’s backstory not following a realistic timeline is bad enough, but I’m willing to overlook it as it happened outside the scope of the show’s timeline. But Bobby is 13 years old and Gene is 7, and it pisses me off that the show doesn’t reflect that.

            • I know when Glen was 13 he was smoking and drinking coke behind the bushes with Sally!

              He played football

              And he’d already had a job over Christmas selling Xmas trees.

              He’d run away from home already…

              And He Was B and E ing neighborhood houses…

            • And Bobby?

              He’s sung a song.

              Said Jesus after watching planet of the apes. And gave away his mothers sandwich on a field trip.

              All things that could have been done at the age of 5.

      • Actually, if it was late-spring/early summer, then it was still the 1969-1970 schedule, and The Brady Bunch was airing at 8pm on Thursdays. Source:

        • I could be wrong about the time; but The Brady Bunch was always on Friday.

          • My bad, you’re right: it aired on Fridays at 8pm during the 1969-1970 TV season.

            (Side note: isn’t that quaint: having a TV season during which all the shows started & stopped on the same schedule.)

  72. “Now we have to find a place for you.” Yup!

    The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face. I love that song.

  73. Disjointed and disappointing episode:(

    • I loved it, but that could be because I disliked last week.

    • This Barbara loved it! I think the pace of the story is faster than we’re used to because they’re trying to cram a lot into a short season.

    • I disliked last weeks show, but after viewing it like three times, now iI can appreciate it. This one I didn’t like very much. I need a good dream sequence now.

  74. Is it me, or did they switch camera filters for the dinner with Sally and her friends and the bus terminal scenes? For a moment there, I thought it was signifying we were moving into a different era. I think I was seeing things.

    • And Don was looking at all the 1970 magazines earlier in the episode.

      So the filters could be the cinematography manifestation of that.

    • Here’s another question: am I the only one who pictures early episodes, the ones from the 1960-1963 period, as being in black and white, even when they were in 2010s HD color?

    • Just saw the repeat of that scene: the lighting is oddly flat, like a filmed 1970s sitcom. Like an episode of Cheers or something.

  75. Great episode. All that’s left of Don is his good looks. Time for Dick Whitman. Don never happened.

  76. So what is Lou’s title/position at the Los Angeles office? And he and Joan were interviewing people for….what? I was confused about that.

    • Lou was under contract, and thus had to be paid anyway, so they probably swapped him to bring Ted back to NYC, as an essential employee of the McCann deal.

      • Thanks. Yeah that makes sense—I do remember now that Lou reminded Jim Cutler of his two-year contract.

    • Maybe an accounts guy for LA? Since Lou is creative (well supposedly) and he seems out there alone…

  77. What exactly was Joan doing with Lou Avery in LA? I missed the exposition for that one.

  78. FYI, there’s discussion of the hint that Joan was married in the comments of Sepinwall’s piece on “To have and to Hold.” Search for Lazy Iggy.

  79. “You don’t have any character. You’re just handsome. Stop kidding yourself.”

    Ah, the Drapers, “oozing” over the flattery.

  80. Near as I can tell, this episode is June/July, 1970.

    • Deborah Lipp will have a hard time with this one. We have three (?) weekdays at work. Glen has already flunked his college classes – which is no help given that this is very close to the date on last episode’s million-dollar check.

      The Brady Bunch show ran from September 26, 1969 to March 20, 1970:

      So that was a rerun Bobby wanted to see (showed on the same Friday night as the first runs?).

      The Kent State shootings occured on May 4, 1970 – no help.

      If the Brady rerun did show on a Friday, then the next one post Ep 709 was May 29 – too close since this show was three days minimum. The following Friday was June 5

      The 2015 Playland schedule runs from May-September.

      What was that other show playing on TV (in NY)? Nail that down and a microfilm search of a NY newspaper might do it.

  81. This was a great episode. I think Sally’s hostility is a bit over the top. A few years ago she was a Daddy’s girl and now she hates him, it doesn’t seem credible to me.

    • It does to me, remember being 16?

      • I didn’t hate my parents. I’m sure plenty of people have reason to, but Don and Betty, though far from perfect, love their children.

        • I loved my parents dearly, but I think at 16 you are struggling to be your own person and want to be totally different, not that you can be of course.

          • I understand. It is true that Sally can see them both for what they are, two very needy people who are hungry for all the wrong kinds of attention. It must be maddening to feel that you are more mature than your parents and in that sense Sally has a valid grievence against them for not being the parents she needed them to be.

            • I remember seeing every imperfection in my parents at that age.

              Many of which weren’t imperfections at all, and definitely not of the magnitude that I felt they were.

              It’s part of growing up I think.

              And to be fair, Don wasn’t being a dad there. He was more like entertaining clients.

              But he did keep trying to include Sally, but the question he kept asking was the one she said she didn’t want to talk about!

    • She hates the fact that one of her friends is hitting on her father, and he seems to be encouraging her. She’s just found out one of her best friends is going into the army. People keep asking her what she wants to do with her life, and she has no idea, which is frustrating. All of that anger and frustration was unleashed on Don. Sally is like her father-think of all the times Don was mad about something, and ended up taking it on Peggy or a secretary.

    • in this era lots of people hated their parents. they weren’t hip like we are now.

  82. I loved the acting when Joan told the babysitter, or was it directed at her son?, “you’re ruining my life” and then that sweet little voice saying goodbye mommy, and she just sags but says goodbye sweetie. And I almost for just a second, bought her line of “I’m sending my son away “.

  83. This week, Don took a verbal beating from everyone who blasted him with harsh truths.
    I forecast that Don will leave the agency looking to the past.
    Don is going to return to the town he was born and look up his roots. He will be Dick Whitman again.

    • I see the last scene as Don standing in front of a group, saying “My name is Dick and I’m an alcoholic.”

  84. – Betty seemed much more mature in this episode, compared to the past. Even to the episode where Bobby traded her sandwich this season. She was much more composed and graceful with Glenn than their last conversation that I recall, “adults don’t know anything, Glennn.” She has changed and matured.

    Pete and Peggy with Don seemed like bickering kids with their dad. I hope we get a poignant scene between them. Their scene in the season 2 finale is always my favorite. Though if their last great scene together ends up being that scene with Ted in the bar where they were laughing about Pete’s mom then that’s okay too.

  85. What was the TV show or film with Martin Balsam that was on when the babysitter took Joan’s call?

    • I think it was a scene from “The Carpetbaggers”.

      • I thought that, based on him asking the character his feelings about Jean Harlow, since there’s a woman in that film, who is supposedly based on Harlow. Balsam was also in another film back then, a biopic of Harlow. I never saw that one, but in The Carpetbaggers, he played a film executive. Whichever film it is, seeing him on Mad Men was a nice tip of the ol’ rabbit ears to Talia Balsam’s father, a longtime favorite actor of mine.

    • Interesting that they show an episode woth Martin Balsam; Talia Balsam, who plays Mona is his daughter

  86. First time commenter. I loved this episode. Jennifer Getzinger should be exceptionally proud of her body of work on Mad Men and she finished with a masterpiece.

  87. Nobody’s commented about Mathis’ flameout.

    I’ll say this. Given his minimal talent, lack of propriety in client meetings and just general cluelessness (thinking he can pull off a DD line when he KNOWS he’s not Don), it’s surprising he’s lasted this long.

    He won’t be missed. Schmucks like Mathis are a dime a dozen.

    • I never understood why Peggy’s underlings at CHC(?) were such unimaginative dorks. Who would have hired them to be creative? And why didn’t she get rid of them and find some people with imagination?

  88. Third episode in a row to refer to France (first Peggy’s Paris trip, then French-speaking Megan’s family last week, and this week Joan’s French toast/French dinner)…. why?

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