Open Thread: The Crash

 Posted by on May 19, 2013 at 8:00 pm  Season 6
May 192013
 

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  1. T-1:59

  2. Ladies and gentleman, Karl.
    Start the countdown

  3. BTW, “The Crash” sounds like this week is going to be really upbeat and uplifting.

    • Oh my god, Karl, I came in here about to “open” with that line. You stole my line! We’re comic geniuses.

    • Yeah, I’m sure there’ll be NO surprises or traumas tonight…
      ;-)

  4. Yeh, don’t it? Wonder if it’s literal, as in a vehicular crash…emotional….or drug-induced.

    Knowing Mad Men, probably all, and then some!

  5. I hope we see Dawn this episode! And that she’s not crashing into anything. (Although she did “crash” at Peggy’s place that one time.)

    • Dawn was mentioned as being in the office last week, so I suspect the only reason we didn’t see her was budgetary.

  6. Ted crashes his plane.
    Who would rep the CGC portion if that happens?

  7. I think someone will take a bad hit of acid and the crash won’t be pretty.

  8. On IMDB, I saw that this episode contains a police officer…as does this season’s poster….

  9. Could “The Crash” refer to Don hitting rock bottom in some way?

  10. In the AMC preview trailer for this episode, everyone looks sleep deprived.

  11. And wasn’t there a mention of “Don receives a visitor” or something like that?

    Always foreboding. Never the Welcome Wagon lady, or someone pleasant. Arrrgh! I’m being sucked into Roger’s vortex painting of negativity!

    • My guess: Stephanie (Anna Draper’s niece) comes job hunting in NYC and asks to “crash” in Don’s apartment. Her Berkeley roommate/runaway bride Elaine Robinson comes with her.

  12. T-90 minutes.

  13. I haven’t even checked…what’s the god awful movie playing on AMC right now?

  14. Could The Crash be similar to the themes explored in Signal 30?

    Or could it refer to a stock market bear cycle.

    Or it could it be a metaphor of people caught in between two objects who rush headlong into each other without preparation or planning?

  15. Would they be that obvious titling an episode “The Crash” if Ted was going to bite it in a plane crash? If they do that, I’ll sprain my eyes rolling them. It would be more like this show for Ted to be seriously injured (and possibly incur brain damage) in a crash, but not die. But as with Signal 30, I think it’s more likely to refer to a crash of a different kind.

  16. I want to know what the hell is the name of the firm? They are DBA some combination of SCDP and CGC.

    Gleason likely bites the dust in this ep. Just a surmise because he looked on death’s door last ep and pancreatic cancer is reputedly fast acting.

    Bert looked a little out of it last ep too. If he goes we’re left with SDCC.

    • Early in the episode last week, right after Joan shows Peggy her office, in the background when a phone was answered, it sounded to me like the female voice said: “Sterling Cooper Draper Cutler Harris Gleason Chaough.”

      Even with headphones and the sound jacked way up, it was really hard to catch it with all the other soundtrack background noise. She might have said “Pryce,” but since Lane is gone, it makes more sense that Joan’s name was added to the masthead. Also, right before, Peggy noted that Joan had been made a partner, so I’d bet it was her name I heard.

      • Sorry – I meant to type: “Sterling Cooper Draper Harris Cutler Gleason Chaough.”

        • Pete’s got a bigger ownership stake than Joan. He’s on the masthead before she is.

          Then again, nobody saved him a seat at the conference table.

        • That one scans well – good rhythm.

  17. T- 1 hour.

  18. Harry Hamlin in the audience tonight on the live Celebrity Apprentice finale, presumably on opposite himself in a little while…

  19. May be crash has something to do w/a heart attack (they’re “crashing”).

    Or a reference to the stock market crash when people jumped from buildings (all the talk of SCDP going public and may be it doesn’t go well). If anyone jumps, I’m guessing Pete.

  20. T- 30 minutes.

  21. …and Here. We. Go.

  22. Ken. WTH?

  23. Whoa, car guys are creeps

  24. Stalker Don

  25. So we know it’s not the first time that Don has stood outside that service door and smoked a half-dozen cigarettes.

  26. Don just snapped.

  27. Dr Feelgood!

    • I couldn’t beleive it. I thought they only treated musicians, actors and politicians.

  28. An apparent allusion to Dr. Feelgood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Jacobson

  29. Well, we can see what The Crash will mean on another level.

  30. No Roger, don’t do it!,

  31. Anyone else think it looked like Don was taking a header down the stairs?

  32. Finally an episode about the servers on our blog.

  33. B 12 is the rich mans Meth

  34. Nice steps Kenny!

  35. Ken, America DOES Got Talent!

  36. “That was very inspiring. Do you have any idea what the idea is?”

    That is the sound of Peggy out of love with Don.

  37. this may be the first time a young Don is being taken care of by a mother figure or any adult

  38. This is one weird episode, and I think it’s going to get weirder. Tap dancing Ken rules!

    Are we going to see how Dick lost his virginity?

  39. I feel like I fell down the rabbit hole.

  40. Broken heart vs broken stethoscope. HA

  41. They’re watching “The Prisoner.” Cool.

  42. This must be the most bizarre episode to date.

    • Easily. It makes “The Jet Set” look like a basic sitcom.

      • After Don passed out by the pool, he didn’t want the doctor to inject him with medicine. Wonder if it was the same kind of B-12/speed concoction?

  43. Moira is the prostitute!

  44. That is not the proper use of an Exacto knife.

  45. Who wrote this episode…. David Lynch?

  46. I love this episode. I’ll need to watch it at least three or four more times before I can tell you why.

    • Sorry… not my cup of tea. Maybe I should visit with Dr. Feelgood before I try to watch it again.

  47. Is January Jones playing the role of Aimee?

  48. Sergio Mendes on the radio.

  49. Mortality rears its head again.

  50. Is the soldier that died the same one that went to Don’s surprise birthday party?

    • That’s what I was thinking.

    • No one has yet mentioned Peggy’s comment to Stan, “Well I’ve had a loss too.”

      I took it to mean the loss of her baby ( taken away from her/given up by her )

  51. The cousin Stan just mentioned, is the same one we met in the season 5 premiere at Don’s party?

  52. This is bizarre…

  53. I’m freaked out for Sally.

  54. This episode is so WTF

  55. Rosemary’s Baby!

  56. So is this woman just a thief who got caught, or is she somehow connected to the Real Don Draper? Except that’s impossible, he couldn’t have sent her a key.

  57. Sally should have locked herself in with the boys and called Don and the cops.

    • But at first, she didn’t know exactly what was going on. She had Carla growing up. Sally must have thought Ida filled that role for Don.

  58. Blasts from the past…Hilton…the bean ballet!

  59. I am so glad to have this live thread now, or I would seriously be wondering if I were losing it entirely.

  60. Where’s Granny Pauline and her trusty burglar alarm?

  61. It’s the beauty mark that sets him off!!

  62. Crazy X Infinity X Infinity

  63. “Are we Negroes?”

  64. “Are we Negroes?”

  65. I’m so scared for this pitch…

  66. Don’s unified theory of everything

    • How you get HER to open the door.

      • This resonates—the housewife (the woman, the lover, the mother) who is the object of the advertiser, of the hobo, of the seducer….even of the woman who shows up with your husband’s bastard baby in her arms.

    • Which always happens with a little chemical help.

  67. I am now very scared for Sally and her brothers. But, how did this woman get in? Did Megan not lock the door?

  68. Roger wrote this episode right after he dropped acid.

  69. Didn’t Megan’s recently fire a maid? Maybe she had a key and gave to her criminal friend to get even.

  70. Don hasn’t been working on Chevy at all. He’s been working on a pitch to get Sylvia back!

  71. Doesn’t Don’s building have a doorman? How did this con artist/thief get by him?
    This episode is all over the place.

  72. My theory, its Sylvia’s maid!

  73. M A D. M E N

  74. Well, that’s one way to end a family argument.

  75. The crash was literal.

  76. What, no elevator pitch from Don? ;-)

  77. Then I realized I dont know anything about you

  78. Wake me when the grown-ups show up.

  79. Don admitting something was his fault. A first.

    • Don should have been so much more upset with Megan for leaving the kids alone. She should have been so much more upset with herself, too!

  80. Mammas and Pappas!

    • Mama Cass singing. She had a hit record with “Dream a Little Dream of Me,” which was the song playing in the whorehouse when Dick Whitman’s fever broke.

      • Confession: I only knew The Mamas and the Papas version of “Dream a Little Dream of Me.” I didn’t know the song went back as far as the 1930s.

        • I will have to check the credits but I wonder if the version in the whorehouse was the version by Ozzie Nelson’s band. Because NONE of the households that Dick Whitman/Don Draper has ever been involved with have ever been “Ozzie and Harriet” households.

          • It’s version much older that Ozzie Nelson for sure, I don’t know who the artist is though.

          • dwolff – Ozzie Nelson’s band was around from the early 1930s, so it could easily be Ozzie Nelson.

          • sorry

          • dwolff – the only reason I know how long Ozzie Nelson was around for so long was my mom and aunts still had some of their 78s when I was growing up. Harriet became his vocalist and they got married in the mid-1930s.

            Mea Maxima Culpa if I sounded short with you.

          • While movies give song credits at the end, TV shows don’t. I have no fucking clue why that is.

      • My husband is wondering if that bit about the sandwich (“Chicken or tuna salad?” “Just eat it”) is a reference to the (false) rumor that Mama Cass died from choking on a sandwich. Any other show, I’d say that’s a stretch….

  81. And Don ends by getting moralistic. [Golf clap.]

  82. Don admits he did something wrong, that it was his fault. That’s progress.

  83. To paraphrase Bill Murray on “Tootsie”: “That is one nutty ad agency! “

  84. No Bob Benson. Wonder if he got a shot?

  85. I appreciate creativity, lived through the late sixties, and usually wait before pronouning judgment; but that was the least satisfying episode of Mad Men since early last season and one of the least satisfying of all time IMO.

    • This episode made me sick to my stomach. Maybe I’ll appreciate it watching it in reruns after the season concludes. YUCK.

    • Yep, seemed a wheel-spinner. The big flashback episodes seem sketchy anyway. And the Roger/Jane tripping episode was a ton more fun and meaningful by comparison.

      Btw, does Betty always have to utter un-redeeming lines? Sometimes they don’t even seem plausible.

      Obviously, Teddy and Peggy are the grown-ups of the new firm.

      • I agree about Betty. Other than the rare episode where she has a major part (the one early this season and “Tea Leaves” last year) her role has been reduced to “B*tch Barbie”; pull the string and hear her harp at someone.

      • Ted and Peggy are the responsible adults. I don’t see a romantic future for them, but I do think at this point she respects Ted far more than Don. She will always appreciate everything Don did for her, but right now she thinks Ted is a better man.

    • Agreed. It reminded me of those Sopranos episodes where Tony was hallucinating/in the hospital. Didn’t Matt Wiener work on that show as well?

      • Yes, Weiner did work on The Sopranos.

      • Melissa looked up a particularly weird Sopranos episode during a commercial last night, and sure enough, it was written by Matt.

    • I hate to agree.
      I can get down with Lynch, Twilight Zone, moody meditation themes, but this was ALL OVER THE PLACE.
      Is this the end of Mad Men?

  86. This is Mad Men…This is Mad Men on drugs!

    • Well, Ida was making Sally eggs. We just missed the shot of them frying in the pan.

      • I’m glad someone else got the reference. I was worried there might be a bit of a generation gap with that one.

  87. Loved this episode. AMAZING.

  88. We’re learning about Cutler. He’s a libertine to put Roger to shame.

    • Good point. He could prove interesting the next season and a half. And that was Gleason’s daughter in the office? Yikes. A bit sad.

      • AND Cutler said he was “keeping her out of trouble” by bringing her to the office– AFTER spying on her and Stan getting it on.

        • She reminded me of that hare krishna woman – the one was friends with Paul Kinsey and who came to the office and slept with Harry.

          • The interesting thing about Wendy was Don’s rejection of her. Underscored this obsession with Sylvia but also that Don really needs to fall in love with his affairs, rather than just have one-off flings (he also rejected the young groupie backstage at the Stones concert and the offer of the prostitute at the party house last season). But he likes plenty of young women: he did fall for Joy in the Jet Set and Anna Draper’s young niece. Does this stem from Aimee’s cavalier stealing of his virginity and his subsequent beating?

  89. T-6 days 22 hours 44 minutes. Yay, I beat Karl for episode 9! (Weird episode tonight, BTW…unsettling and weird.)

  90. Ken with the Chevy guys at the beginning reminded me of the Seinfeld where George was hanging out with the execs from the Houston astros.

  91. Do we see Roger after his shot? Re-watching now.

    • Yeah, someone with a heart condition probably shouldn’t be spiked full of speed. Hopefully, we won’t have another dead partner soon.

    • Gotta love how the doctor asks everyone whether they have a heart condition, but then when Roger says he does, he shrugs and says something like, “Eh, you’ll be fine.” !!!

  92. LOVE all the polarized reactions to this episode. I haven’t decided.

    But one thing that I keep coming back to is what MW has said repeatedly about 1968 and it being one of the worst and most violent years in the nation’s history.

    In response to that violence and sense of pain and loss and bewilderment is perhaps this feeling of escape by any means necessary. Like what Arnie said in the second episode – people will do anything to forget about their anxiety. So the trippy-ness felt to me like an expressionistic element – designed to make us feel off-balance, and scared, and wondering what was true and what was imagined.

    Just an immediate response – and likely to change, but that’s how it felt during the first viewing.

    • It wasn’t just the most violent in the nation’s history, it was just a turbulent time everywhere. Sylvia and Arnold’s son is presumably still in France, where the Situationists’ country-wide strike kept Sylvia worried. I always think of that “movement” and its effect on film, it’s where we get the whole French New Wave in film from–and that’s what this episode reminded me of. The narrative isn’t linear, we don’t know if we’re in a dream state, if we’re in the present or if we’re in the past–or if there’s any difference between the past and the present. There doesn’t seem to be, for Don; it’s all one repeated experience and the past is just as alive in the now as it ever was.

  93. So do we know whether their shot was a hallucinogenic or an amphetamine or a mixture of the two?

  94. Dawn’s reaction while Ken’s doing his buck and wing is wonderful.

    • That was absolutely pitch perfect.

      Just as well for her sanity that she wasn’t around the rest of the weekend.

  95. I loved this episode, even though it gave me a bad case of vertigo. Mad Men drops one of these on us every now and then to remind us it really isn’t a soap opera. I’m not saying it was any more profound or creative than the more normal episodes but ones like this are fun because they shake things up. It forces the viewer to pick it up, turn it over, examine it from different angles to figure it out. These episodes keep us from watching Mad Men the same way we watch the formulaic pablum the networks dish up every week. I’m gonna have to watch it at least 2 more times before I even try to figure it out.

    • Right on! I totally agree with you and I think its a vibe they’re going after, a chance to experience the characters somewhat out of character. I thought it was hilarious. Just watched it the second time. That scene in the elevator with Sylvia….ouch.

    • Beautiful way of putting it.

  96. Wendy (Gleason’s daughter) reminded me a little of Paul Kinsey’s Hare Krishna girlfriend. Possibly because they’re both kind of hippie types, but when they first showed Wendy tonight I had a flashback to Paul’s girlfriend, whose name was Lakshmi. Well, sort of a combination of Lakshmi and Zooey Deschanel.

    Did Betty lose weight? She seems to have lost the bloat. If so, I’m glad—not that it would matter to me if it was someone who really had a little weight to lose, but on the Betty-needs-to-lose-weight episodes, I felt too aware that January Jones is very slim IRL and it was just prosthetic padding.

    • She’s gone back to blonde too. She’s her old self.

    • Note that Harry Crane crashed out on the couch in the scene in the creative lounge when Wendy was throwing the iChing? The way he was lounging and the tone in which he introduced her to Don read to me (on second viewing of ep) that he and Wendy had already gotten it on.

  97. In keeping with the nature of the episode, some rather random thoughts:

    Roger should be the one going to Detroit. He’s better at handling guys like the Chevy execs than Ken. I was waiting for the moment Sally and Betty would fight over clothes, and it came. I’m curious (because I was the youngest sibling in my family) is it odd for older siblings to be paid for baby-sitting younger siblings?

    Peggy was willing to play William Tell with the rest of the boys, but when things went wrong, she took action. Minor call-back to Joan and the mower?

    I hope Stan remembers the kiss and the compliment he gave to Peggy. Despite having sex with the hippie chick, I still believe that Stan and Peggy are meant to be together. This is just a minor setback. Stan doesn’t realized he just messed up the best thing that almost happened to him.

    I felt so sorry for Sally. She should have listened to her instincts sooner.

    • Another callback was Stan complimenting Peggy’s caboose. Similar to what Roger once said to Joan after one of their hotel trysts.

    • My parents regularly paid me, when I was Sally’s age, to babysit my 3 younger brothers.

    • I, too, was paid to watch my younger sisters…in 1968. Which was a crazy year, yes. Everywhere.

  98. Shocking thing #22 in a series of 58, Betty is blonde and back in fighting form

  99. A 14 year old child was banished to sleep alone in a cellar with bronchitis and was only shown care by predatory prostitute who proceed to molest and rape him (and that IS what it was – if the gender roles had been switched and a grown man done to Sally what was done to Dick: this blog and the internet in general would have [rightly] blown a gasket and hit the ceiling), for which he was then physically, verbally and emotionally abused by the the only person entrusted with his guardianship. And what’s really sad, to me, is that no one in this thread has frankly addressed it yet.

    If you really want the key to Don’s “mystery”, it is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92D15qtI_Gk

    • Taylor, I see your point, and it is important, and in any other episode I would be just as surprised that it hadn’t been mentioned, but there’s a lot going on tonight, and that’s just one of the many very messed up things that happened in the episode. I am surprised that it didn’t come up in the comments. I think right now, a lot of people are a bit stunned and dazed by everything. I’m sure that someone will be write a full post on what happened to Don. If you really feel strongly about it, write a guest post.

      • It probably was silly of me to hope for people to care more about the sexual and physical abuse of the young boy who grew up to be the show’s main character, than how hot January Jones is.

        • I realize this may be on the border of breaking a blog rule, but when in this thread were people talking about how hot January Jones was? Most people seem to be talking about what happened to Sally, what happened at the office, and the relationship between Don and Sylvia. I do agree, what happened to Don was awful, and deserves attention. What we saw tonight explains a great deal about how Don turned out the way he did.

        • My 2013 brain agrees with you…my 1930′s brain says you are unfairly applying 2013 morals and taboos to 1930′s morals and taboos. It’s not appropriate to inject our modern conditioning of right and wrong to an unfamiliar era. Was it sexual abuse in 2013…yes. Was is ‘sexual abuse’ in 193X? How can we really judge? 14 year old men (boys) could marry in the 30′s. Today, in some state and countries, 15 year olds can marry. Aimee may have wanted to start a relationship with Don (she certainly took a liking to him from day 1). Until we are conditioned to judge the morality of the action, is the action immoral? It’s like a reverse anachronism.

          OK***yuck***

          (I felt dirty writing this but the principle of moral relativity based on time is unfair to judge…pointing it out is fine…judging should be considered lazy).

        • Taylor, you will re-read the comment policy, and take care to comment on the episode and not make meta-commentary on other commentors, or you will be put on moderation. This is your only warning.

    • Well I was formulating a reply. But you are right, had gender roles been reversed the comments would have exploded. It also holds a lot of answers about Dons behavior. Sexual abuse of anyone leaves lasting damage. And the only thing sadder than Dons story is probably the childhood of the woman who abused him. Maybe her only learned way of showing affection

      • “the only thing sadder than Dons story is probably the childhood of the woman who abused him. Maybe her only learned way of showing affection”

        Has anybody ever said that about a man who raped a young girl, without incurring the wrath of a public shaming?

        • Actually, it is a pretty common thing to hear from sexual abusers The theory being we all express affection as we learned when it was expressed to us. Just as we parent as we were parented. This topic could cover several college courses, but it is still in the early stages of being understood in our culture in my opinion

        • I should point out this in no way excuses any behavior on anyone’s part, regardless of age or gender, but in order to help people you have to know the why of the actions not just the what. For example, if I know certain behaviors are indicative of abuse and I know people who were abused tend to have a prediction toward abusing others, which some studies do show, I can make an effort to make sure victims get long term counseling not just for their current trauma but so they don’t go on in life to cause trauma to others. Preventive rather than post trauma care

          • Betty and Don both read as physically beautiful mid-century Americans born c 1930 who struggle with the legacies of severe emotional and physical abuse in childhood. After this episode, it is even more believable that they were drawn together.

            She idealizes her in death, but Betty’s mother sounds like a real monster in bits that leak out surrounding her mother-daughter relationship with Sally.

            In contrast, Megan’s consciousness about her own parents’ … psychological shortcomings … is the factor upon which her relationship to Sally, Bobby, and Baby Gene (and Don) is based.

            I give the MM writers room credit for such graphic portrayal through the seasons of Dick Whitman’s history of emotional and physical neglect and abuse, and now his horrorshow sexual initiation.

    • I can only speak for myself Taylor, but I’m not discussing it because it doesn’t feel like a revelation to me – the minute we got confirmation that Don really did grow up in a brothel, we knew this is must be what happened. And his stepmother’s abusive treatment of him was established a long time ago. I can agree with you that it’s horrible, but that’s all I have to say because it’s not new to me.

      • There is so much to this episode to sort out that I hadn’t grabbed onto everything specific concerning Aimee nurturing Dick Whitman then bedding him. What struck me about it was at the table – before he was beaten and told he was trash. When Aimee is arguing, she says she is owed $5 for busting Dick’s cherry. He heard that. Look at his face right before his step-mother asks him about it. The flash of recognition before he tries to deny it.

        • Jimmy Barrett told Don that he was garbage in Season 2 after he knew about the affair with Bobbie and told Betty about it.

      • Exactly. We’ve pretty much known this since S1. And the prostitute seduction has been assumed for quite some time. The beating, though, was vicious, but again we already saw that in Don’s childhood.

        In terms of the “it’s not your fault”, Don Draper is a far, far way from Will Hunting as an ethical, blameless figure. I’m all for sympathizing with Don’s upbringing, but at a certain point an adult makes his own decisions/choices. Mind, I love the dude as a TV character — one of the all-time iconic ones — but it’s hard to absolve him of all of his behavior because of his hardscrabble/abusive childhood. Explains things, yes. But as a full-out excuse? Can’t go that far.

        Btw, did anyone notice that the cherry-taking prostitute facially resembled Bobbie Barrett? Wondered if that was intentional given how Roger’s stewardess resembled Joan.

      • I agree – this was not a revelation at all. I was pretty certain from the moment he moved into that whorehouse and we met Aimee, that she would end up seducing him. Or possibly the other way around. I knew sooner or later this would come up in a flashback. Adding extra ick-factor to this is the messed up timeline that is Dick/Don’s life. We can go by how old the actor looks, but it’s hard to know how old he is supposed to be at that point.

    • It will be addressed I’m sure. It’s just that Don’s deflowering by a pro is the least surprising thing about this episode. I don’t mean because he’s male, but that we already knew he was raised in a brothel, he is a teenager in those scenes and he did grow up to be a man with many huge issues, including sexual ones. So, what were the chances of him losing his virginity to one of those ladies? Well, pretty huge, actually.

    • Taylor – everything that happens on the show is fair game for dissection, discussion and critique. That’s what the blog is for.

      What it’s NOT for is casting judgement on other posters based on what they say or do not say.

      Let’s keep the critique focused on the show and not on its fans.

    • They didn’t take it much further, but Aimee was also the one who told Dick that he didn’t have consumption (aka tuberculosis). Back then, TB was still a mass killer, at least for people who didn’t have access to good medical care, and it was probably on his mind. She essentially told him that he wasn’t going to die.

      Another way his psyche got even more messed up.

      • Good point.

        So many layers — the whore nurtures him, possibly saves his life. A car saves his professional career but every time we get a car, this place turns into a whorehouse.

    • This raises an interesting issue about human nature that people’s reactions would probably be stronger if it was an underaged girl being molested by a man, rather than a boy being molested by a woman.

  100. The weird thing with this season, for me, is that besides Don Draper, I’m not sure if any of the other characters have storyline arcs. They have moments within an episode, but I have no clue what any of them are doing over the course of the season. Peggy just seems to react angrily to Don and others, or gets kissed by everybody now. Pete…no clue. Joan…eh, maybe dealing with sleeping with someone to get a partnership, but again, not a big arc. Betty, no clue. Megan, no clue. Sally, no clue. Roger, no real arc as well. Bob Benson – 100% no clue.

    I find the episodes all entertaining, and was bowled over by tonight’s, but we are 3/4 of the way through the season, and I feel like you could just start with any ep, and be fine (if you know a merger happens at some point).

    Also, SO much more chemistry with that one kiss with Stan than Peggy’s had with anyone else on the show, besides that epic love scene with Pete on the couch).

    • I am rooting for Peggy and Stan so hard it’s embarassing.

    • Oh c’mon, Peggy and Duck had quite the chemistry there in Season 3! (kidding) I was totally rooting for Peggy and Stan. Peggy — just dump Abe already.

      A really weird episode and hello hypocrite with Don/Dick’s stepmother. You’re the one who brought Dick to the whorehouse, you should have been keeping an eye on him and took care of him while he was sick! What a b*tch!

      Poor Sally.

    • I see your point but I would contend there is a S6 storyline for Pete and Peggy. But the other characters — beyond Don — I would agree with you.

      The strange thing is Roger, in particular, carried a good portion of the show last year (along with Peggy, Pete and Joan), but this year is all about Don. Sort of like S4.

    • Weiner (or perhaps Moss) said at the start of S6 that much of this season was about people trying to change, and whether they really could. And I do see that thruline in a number of arcs.

      Don, obviously. Peggy? We see her acting like Don, then aspiring to be not-Don and gravitating toward Ted… but does it last? She’s moved into that property with Abe, but she flat out says she doesn’t like change. Betty? The confrontation with the squatters at St. Marks drives her to go brunette and she seems more accepting of who she is… but now that Henry is pursuing his own ambition, we’re seeing a re-emergence of vintage Betty. Joan? She’s a partner, but she struggles to assert herself in that role. Roger? LSD supposedly enlightened him, but he has backslid into some of his old habits, chasing youth and complaining about mortality to a shrink. Pete is filling Don’s prediction from the pilot, reaching a certain level and ending up alone. Pete also worries he is moving backward professionally as a result of the merger and losing Vicks.

    • I agree with Nordic, although I don’t think Don has a storyline, either. He bores me. He has become uninteresting. I no longer care why he does what he does. My eyes glaze over when he’s in the scene.

    • Spot on. This season feels like an obstacle course toward Don’s inevitable coronary. And the others?………..they’re over there.
      I can believe I’m saying this: Less Don, puh-lease.

  101. Bobby truly IS color-blind. If only Don had heard.

  102. I noticed an interesting parallel tonight. When Peggy said, stop, Stan listened and backed away. When Don said stop, the prostitute didn’t listen. Is this were Don’s desire for control in relationships comes from?

  103. Damn. Betty’s such a nasty, awful woman.

    • In a way, you can’t blame her this time. While her Megan crack was uncalled for, she has every right to be mad at Don. It’s been however many years and he shows no signs of maturity.

      • Betty had every right to be upset. Anything could have happened to her kids. I imagine Sally told them everything that happened, and for once Betty being sympathetic to her daughter. As Sally explained to Don, Ida had an answer for everything. Betty of all people could relate to that.

        • Weirdly enough, both Sally and Betty are conditioned to see middle-aged black women as mother figures.

          • Why is that weird, given the time period they both grew up in?

          • Surely not every single American child in the 40s and 60s had a nanny.

          • Not every child, but I’d be willing to bet money that most children of a certain socio-economic background did. If not a nanny, than a housekeeper who also did some baby-sitting.

          • I was born in 66 outside of Baltimore, and I remember the black lady who “did” for my Mom in the late 60s into the early 70s (and like Retro-girl pointed out, occasionally did baby-sitting). So yes, definitely that kind of background is normal for Sally and many other kids from that time. And also why the police didn’t find it odd when Ida took the phone from Sally and spoke to them.

        • IMHO, here’s the deal with Betty: Although she has every right to be angry and hostile when Ida has broken in,fearful for her children, angry at Don and Megan, her last comment ,”Did you know Henry was running for office? (parapharse)” THAT is her real concern, ie: don’t blow his (Henry’s )chances, don’t ruin this for ME.

          Betty does not move forward.

          • That stood out for me too.

          • You’re right. Betty’s is the kind of bitterness that will only grow bigger and sharper with time. I have often ( too often!) wondered what one simple heartfelt apology from Don would do for her. ” I was one lousy husband to you. You deserved better. I’m sorry.” I think that would do her a world of good.

          • I think Betty will ultimately become Betty…Ford. Blonde political wife pasting on a smiley face in public to help her husband; absolutely miserable underneath. She will eventually self-medicate. There’s a highly fragile china doll about 1/1000th of a millimeter under her porcelain skin.

  104. Don’s ultimate sales pitch was how to get your foot in the door and make the case in the first two sentences. He had Sylvia in the elevator and didn’t say anything.

    • Maybe, just maybe, he decided he didn’t want to make that sales pitch after all.

    • Interesting parallel re: the sales pitch with Ida getting her foot in the door in the apartment and makes her case with Sally in her first few sentences (your daddy’s Don Draper? I’m your grandma)

      • Not just the foot in the door, but “face to face”. He got his foot ( his whole body ) into the ( elevator ) door and was “face to face” with Sylvia, but couldn’t close the deal and couldn’t even open his mouth. Why?

  105. So one thing I noticed was that when Don said to Sally, “Oh, Sally, I left the door unlocked,” was that what he should have said was, “I love you.” Then I realized that no one has ever said “I love you” to those kids. Not surprised, but jeez.

    • So true, Bunny Watson. No wonder Sally is turning into her mother.

      • In terms of looks, yes, but how else do you see Sally turning into Betty? I don’t see it.

        • I like Sally, but there’s no denying Sally will say pretty much whatever’s on her mind, and can as cutting as Betty (often to Betty).

        • The same remoteness, the icy demeanor, manipulativeness.

    • Move the quotation marks, please!

    • He was absolving her of guilt over something that wasn’t her fault. That is an act of love. One that certainly no one ever did for young Don, nor was he ever told those words.

      • There’s a difference between an act of love, and saying the words. It’s a variation on “that’s what the money’s for.” Sometimes people need to hear something to make them feel okay.

    • That can’t be right, can it? One of the parents must’ve said it at least once. If you’re right, that is deeply disturbing.

    • When Don called Sally I expected him to ask her if she and her brothers are all right, as any normal parent would do. (Why is why I shouldn’t have expected it!) Instead he assured her that HE’S all right and didn’t express concern about his children’s welfare at all.

    • To me the saddest thing was when Sally felt she had explain her actions with the intruder . And the when Don says he left the back door open she just says OK in a sad defeated little voice. She can’t trust grow ups to take care of her, just like her father couldn’t

      • That’s so insightful. Do you think this will mark a real change in her relationship with Betty and Henry. Until now, she seemed to like it better with Don and Megan, but after this, she may see Betty and Henry as the ones who are there for her and the ones who will protect her.

        • Well, she is 14 so I would expect her to have a lot of vacillating feelings about this. I am struck by her assumption of adult behaviors in relationship to her little brothers. Very common with an abused or neglected child

          • What adult behaviors? I do not have much experience with abused or neglected children, so I am curious to learn more.

          • When they were getting ready to go to Dons apt, Sally was telling Bobby to go get Genes toy, packing up the suitcases. in general doing what needed to be done to get everything in order while Betty leaned against the kitchen counter. Then at the apt she assumes responsibility of getting dinner for the boys with Megan talking about peanut butter on her way out the door. Even in the late 60′s that was a bit much for a 14 year old. A d more pointedly, it was clear she had done this many times before

          • I noticed that too but it didn’t seem strange to me, it looked typical for the eldest child of a family – my family for example.

          • I remember Sally making her daddy a drink, when they had company over. That, too…inappropriate, and an “adult task”, not one for a child (which she was at the time).

            I can’t recall one single time, over the course of 6 seasons, either Betty or Don has told any of their 3 kids “I love you”.

            However, Betty did comfort Sally when she started her period…tried to keep her away from Glen (though this may have been more for her own comfort, rather than Sally’s “safety”)…gave her riding boots, a Barbie, etc. to show affection…and I’m glad Don told Sally he left the door open, to alleviate Sally’s, if not fear, maybe guilt about endangering her brothers.

            I, too, fully expected Don to tell Sally he loved her, and was surprised he didn’t. Very much of the same skein “that’s what the money’s for” stuff a poster above cited.

            I doubt (and we are now getting a fuller picture) Don’s stepmom ever told him she loved him. Highly doubtful his real dad Archie did. And we know Betty’s mom was judgemental toward her daughter.

            I hope Sally goes back to Dr. Edna. The likelihood is slim.

  106. I missed that it was Gleason’s daughter that was giving I Ching readings (and trying to make it w DD and screwing Stan).

    • Gleason’s daughter was actually in the room with Don, right? I thought it might have been his imagination or something.

  107. That was very strange.
    When Ken tap-danced I think that’s the most acting that actor has had done in all of the episodes put together. Ken’s always been the most neglected character on the show.

    • Ken tends to be low key. He’s not the type to get excited and angry. Although I do agree, it would be nice to know more of Ken’s backstory.

      • I am just so glad they didn’t kill him off, which is what I feared in the first scene. He may not be the most exciting guy, but he is one of the few characters I would actually like to hang out with.

        • Yes, Bunny, though I wouldn’t relish Ken chasing me to discover my underwear color…he is, for the most part, a “nice” guy. Just like Ted.

          Did ya’ll notice that Aaron Stanton looks like he’s dropped at least 25-30 lbs? His face looks waaaay slimmer than in past eps.

      • His mother was heavyset.

    • It was also interesting to see that that was how he expressed his still very deep resentment and anger. I never thought I’d see somebody tap dance out their rage.

    • Not so, Ken has had critical roles before:

      The Gold Violin;
      Episodes where he is the first to learn of mergers/account departures, etc. His responses and reports to management have been timely and well done.

  108. I know some folks will find this episode brilliant, but I found it tedious. What more do we need to know about Don in the whorehouse? How many more times will we be reminded that some advertising people are creative geniuses and others are grown ups? And what purpose did the Grandma burgler serve? There were too many plot devices and not enough plot.

    • The Grandma burgler, as someone said above, demonstrated that the Draper children are alone. Don and Megan are failing as parents. I think the conversation between Sally and Don at the end explained it quite well. Sally tried to find out the truth, by asking questions, attempting to catch Ida in a lie, but everything she said checked out, to the best of Sally’s knowledge. Sally’s line “I don’t know you at all” was the point.

    • It wasn’t . You need to watch it again. The episode was eerily entertaining.

    • Yeah, I would be fine with never seeing another Dick Whitman flashback.

      • I don’t know if I’d go that far. What I would like to see is what happened between the whorehouse and the army.

        • I agree with Retro Girl, plus I wouldn’t mind seeing flashbacks of the early days at Sterling Cooper (both with Roger & Bert and when Don and Joan first started at SC, it must have been around the same time – 1953-54)

          • You’re right. Joan was already working at SC when Don joined, but I don’t think she had been working there for very long, maybe around a year. I would love to hear about the first time Don and Joan met, from both sides.

          • Yes, not too interested in Don’s days as a mink coat salesman, but would love to see him jump to at Roger’s command, as an underling/start-up.

  109. when Don was going through his pitch to Sylvia on his way home and then opened the door to see Betty, Megan, the kids, etc in his living room confronting him about not being home when Ida robbed the place, that was a callback to Season 3 when Don was going to go away with Suzanne, went home to get a few things and found that Betty had come home early and she then confronted him about his past.

    • Only this time, instead of being confronted about his past, he was confronted with the present.

  110. I think The Crash refers to Don finally hitting rock bottom.
    He realized that just because he grew up in a whorehouse
    he doesn’t need to live in one as an adult.

  111. Did Don simply neglect to lock the back door or did he have a specific reason for leaving it unlocked?

    • I think he left it unlocked so he could duck in and
      out quietly for his “cigarette breaks” outside Sylvia’s
      apartment.

    • What’s curious is that there’s a scene in the middle of the episode where he’s standing at Sylvia’s service entrance, but then he’s back at the office, without ever in the meantime showing him being in his own apartment. Did he go back to his apartment building just to stand outside Sylvia’s door, then return to work?

  112. How much time has passed between the episode where Betty goes brunette and this episode?
    If Betty had forty pounds to lose then it needs to be time gap of about four months.

    What struck me as strange is that Betty is back to Blonde and with the same figure she had when she and Don were together. Things just don’t add up.

    The whole episode seems to me to be Don’s dream.

    • Well, if she went brunette in Ep 1, that was Christmas. I believe that they indicated that this ep was in June (but had to be late June), so 6 1/2 mos?

    • Someone in the episode said that March (13?) was 4 months earlier. It’s July. (I may be wrong by one month.) It’s even longer since we saw Betty brunette and heavy, I think – that was in the winter (February?). So it’s 4-5 months. Enough time.

  113. Don’s got it bad for Sylvia. “Words of Love” indeed won’t work. She’s done with him it seems.

    • No, he’s done. He made that clear with one word in that long
      elevator ride. The whole way he carried himself changed after
      the “crash” and his bedside realization of the depth to which he
      had sunk. He put his children’s lives at risk (this time Betty’s
      condemnation was warranted,) and he nearly lost every shred
      of the self respect that has been so hard-earned. Chevy represents
      every toxic relationship that threatens to keep him emotionally
      imprisoned in the whorehouse of his childhood. This episode
      was a game changer for Don.

      • He’s done with Sylvia because she says they are done (shades of Rachel Mencken in her control/resolution at the end). But yes, I think he realized at the end she ain’t having him back no way.

        Whether this is a game-changer, in general, for Don we’ll see. I’m betting he may have another crash or two before this season is over, let alone the pending S7.

      • That’s an excellent overview.

        But one thing no one has mentioned (so far as I’ve seen) is that the camera lingered on Sylvia after Don left the elevator. She did not look relieved, as you might have expected. She actually looked a shade disappointed. Don out of her life is what she wanted and insisted on, of course, but now that he’s suddenly no longer stalking her she’s off balance.

        I’m not sure if that will lead to anything, but at the very least it tells me Don has really walked away.

        • I think I’ll have to wait until MM is over before making lofty pronouncements about Don being a good father, good husband, etc.

        • So Sylvia secretly liked being stalked? Hmmm ….

          I think the hero worship with which we sometimes imbue Don makes us blind to the realities of his relationships or his character. Don may have been done with Sylvia by the end of last night’s episode, but Sylvia has been finished with Don for over a month and even reamed him out about creeping around her backdoor. In fact, were it not for her fear of having to confess to the doctor one felt a restraining order might be pending.

          Short of Sylvia crawling back or making overtures that she would like to see him in future episodes, we can reasonably conclude she was well over him before he was well over her. She has told Don “no” twice, once with a light touch and the second time more ominously. Don may have controlled the majority of their relationship but he did not control the ending. It was not over when he said it was over. It was over when Sylvia said it was.

          • Dead cat bounce!!!
            Perfect.
            Don is like a character on Seinfeld. He will never learn anything important about his need to change.
            Clueless.

          • Hero worship for Don is pretty light on this blog. He regularly is annihilated for un-puritanical ways, above all else.

  114. Gleason’s daughter we can assume is no stranger to Stan Rizzo.

    So their coupling may not have been a first for them.

    • Why can we assume that?

    • I think he was looking to get laid. Lord knows what that shot did to his boy bits.

      • That shot and 1-1/2 Peggy kisses. He said he couldn’t stand up (sitting on that desk).

        When he could stand, young Miss Gleason was the second act.

  115. I didn’t notice this until I watched the episode again, but in the pitch session, Stan announces he’s got 666 tag lines for the Chevy account. Then, right before she hears “Grandma Ida” rattling around in the apartment, Sally’s in bed reading Rosemary’s Baby.

    666 is the Biblical ‘Mark of the Beast’ and the Devil is the real father of Rosemary’s baby

    • Excellent catch.

      Here’s another tidbit along the same lines. Do you remember the episode where Sally ran away to join Don in the city? They put her in a waiting area that overlooked an office building whose address was conspicuous. The address was 666. This was the same episode where Don’s secretary died at her desk.

  116. This was definitely a ‘holy sh*t’ episode – I couldn’t stop saying it aloud! Very freaky, very 1968…of course, I was 12 in ’68, but still…I wonder if Sally, at 15, says she’s visiting a friend and ends up at Woodstock…….?

  117. I just watched again On Demand, just to catch this.

    Megan said she was going to a play. It’s still light out, daytime. She says that, afterward, her agent Jeff was going to introduce her to people who could put her in the play. Was the play a matinee? What time was the robbery? Sally was in bed reading. Where was Megan all that time? What was SHE doing?

    • Well if it is July now, it would still be light out until 8pm or so. It could have been early evening when she left for the play.

      • Do we know for sure it’s July? Definitely after June 6 (RFK killed), which rules out Walpurgisnacht (Apr 30) which would’ve been appropriate, but maybe it’s Midsummer’s Eve (as in Shakespeare’s Dream? The copywriters quote him, but never, I believe, that play). Then again, the events of Alice in Wonderland take place in July, and they certainly quote – and mimic – that too. I bet there’s plenty to unpack, comparing Lewis Carroll and this episode.

        • OK maybe they didn’t quote Shakespeare. Can’t tell. Comin’ down.

        • It should be the end of June. They mentioned they had been working on Chevy for 6 weeks. The merger after they won the bid was around May 16

      • Another site has determined that it is the last weekend in June based on don’s statement that they have been working “7 ideas in 6 weeks” for chevy, which started on May 17th.
        So Monday when they get back to work at the end it would be July 1.

        • Thanks for the responses. It just seemed to me that Megan was gone for a very long time for a play and a post-play meeting. And very late at that. With everything else going on, it could go unnoticed but, I wonder if there was really was something to Betty’s “casting couch” comments. Other than Bitter Betty Francis and her usual sniping.

    • I keep thinking Megan must also have someone on the side. I don’t see how she could be falling for Don’s excuses, she knows his past. That was a great little comment which almost slipped by by Betty about Don working late “is that what he says”. Megan didn’t even seem surprised, of course they were all shocked.

  118. Is anyone else as sick of the flashbacks to Bowlcut Dick as I am?

  119. On review I noticed that the scene immediately before the switch to Ida in the Draper’s unit there is a long focused shot on the clock radio, the brand “? Why, of course, “Admiral”

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