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	<title>Comments on: &quot;Aphelion&quot; by Moving Mountains</title>
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		<title>By: prometheus</title>
		<link>http://www.lippsisters.com/2009/11/05/aphelion-by-moving-mountains/comment-page-1/#comment-39196</link>
		<dc:creator>prometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The opening credits is a suicide.  I think all the references allude to that fall, and that story will take place over the next few seasons.  Constant references are being made however.  Anyone notice they have been lighting scenes so dons profile is a silhouette.  But what if they pull a ultimate Alfred Hitchcock and kill the lead 1/2 way through the story! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opening credits is a suicide.  I think all the references allude to that fall, and that story will take place over the next few seasons.  Constant references are being made however.  Anyone notice they have been lighting scenes so dons profile is a silhouette.  But what if they pull a ultimate Alfred Hitchcock and kill the lead 1/2 way through the story!</p>
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		<title>By: Breezy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breezy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only character I ever saw as a potential suicide was Freddy.</description>
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		<title>By: RP</title>
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		<dc:creator>RP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely don&#039;t think it will be Betty. Betty has shown us to be a too strong &amp; resilient woman this season. The way she&#039;s stood up to Don totally depicts this. And she has 3 kids, one of which is a newborn. No way she&#039;s offing herself.

If it will be anyone, I think it will be either Greg (is that his name? - Joan&#039;s hubbie) or Sal.

Greg was devastated when turned down for a surgical position. And the whole joining the army thing was a weak attempt at saving face. He will quickly realize this, if he hasn&#039;t already.

As for Sal, well it would be devastating. But suicide would be the show&#039;s way to depict the difficulty of being gay during those times. It did cost him his job &amp; eventually his marriage. Not to mention what is psychie is going through right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely don&#8217;t think it will be Betty. Betty has shown us to be a too strong &amp; resilient woman this season. The way she&#8217;s stood up to Don totally depicts this. And she has 3 kids, one of which is a newborn. No way she&#8217;s offing herself.</p>
<p>If it will be anyone, I think it will be either Greg (is that his name? &#8211; Joan&#8217;s hubbie) or Sal.</p>
<p>Greg was devastated when turned down for a surgical position. And the whole joining the army thing was a weak attempt at saving face. He will quickly realize this, if he hasn&#8217;t already.</p>
<p>As for Sal, well it would be devastating. But suicide would be the show&#8217;s way to depict the difficulty of being gay during those times. It did cost him his job &amp; eventually his marriage. Not to mention what is psychie is going through right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually have a pretty great mom and dad, but I&#039;ve seen plenty of kids who didn&#039;t, friends, classmates, etc. 
 
And Betty certainly isn&#039;t the worst parent ever, not even top 100. The Draper kids certainly have more of a chance at a healthy emotional life than those who have been outright physically or mentally abused. But just because she&#039;s not hitting them, or screaming insults, doesn&#039;t mean she&#039;s not doing any damage. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have a pretty great mom and dad, but I&#039;ve seen plenty of kids who didn&#039;t, friends, classmates, etc. </p>
<p>And Betty certainly isn&#039;t the worst parent ever, not even top 100. The Draper kids certainly have more of a chance at a healthy emotional life than those who have been outright physically or mentally abused. But just because she&#039;s not hitting them, or screaming insults, doesn&#039;t mean she&#039;s not doing any damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25, Andrew:  thank you. 
 
I&#039;ve held off on saying this because I have a hunch you know whereof you speak.  But you are right:  some women are not meant to be mothers.  Credit those in the present day who know this, listen to it, and do not allow anyone else to change their minds. 
 
I know a few women who flat-out admit that they should never have had kids.  Their children are adults now, but not parents themselves.  (I find this interesting.) 
 
One of these women is bright and funny, very attractive, always the center of attention.  But she admits that she was &quot;a lousy mother&quot;.  The one of her children who will discuss the subject agrees. 
 
Another I know just always loved working; still does.  When her child came along, it halted her progress.  They have both had to work past her resentment.  They are okay; but when you&#039;re a kid, you know if your mom loves something more than she loves you.  Imagine if that thing were a job. 
 
Listen, one size really doesn&#039;t fit all.  And being a mother has nothing to do with a tendency to hug.  It has to do with making space in your life -- permanent space -- for other people:  letting them in, then letting them go, but never letting go of that tether of love that connects you and them. 
 
Betty didn&#039;t have a choice.  Some women I know didn&#039;t, either.  Having kids was just what people did, like it or not.  And once they were there, everyone -- mothers, fathers, and especially kids -- made the best of it. 
 
Thanks again, Andrew.  And I&#039;m sorry. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25, Andrew:  thank you. </p>
<p>I&#039;ve held off on saying this because I have a hunch you know whereof you speak.  But you are right:  some women are not meant to be mothers.  Credit those in the present day who know this, listen to it, and do not allow anyone else to change their minds. </p>
<p>I know a few women who flat-out admit that they should never have had kids.  Their children are adults now, but not parents themselves.  (I find this interesting.) </p>
<p>One of these women is bright and funny, very attractive, always the center of attention.  But she admits that she was &quot;a lousy mother&quot;.  The one of her children who will discuss the subject agrees. </p>
<p>Another I know just always loved working; still does.  When her child came along, it halted her progress.  They have both had to work past her resentment.  They are okay; but when you&#039;re a kid, you know if your mom loves something more than she loves you.  Imagine if that thing were a job. </p>
<p>Listen, one size really doesn&#039;t fit all.  And being a mother has nothing to do with a tendency to hug.  It has to do with making space in your life &#8212; permanent space &#8212; for other people:  letting them in, then letting them go, but never letting go of that tether of love that connects you and them. </p>
<p>Betty didn&#039;t have a choice.  Some women I know didn&#039;t, either.  Having kids was just what people did, like it or not.  And once they were there, everyone &#8212; mothers, fathers, and especially kids &#8212; made the best of it. </p>
<p>Thanks again, Andrew.  And I&#039;m sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: falafel</title>
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		<dc:creator>falafel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22. I certain agree with that. You&#039;re right that wives became mothers just because they saw it as the next thing to do. In a way I see Trudy&#039;s infertility and Peggy giving up her child as a mixed blessing. They have the chance to develop strength within themselves, not having to be strong for their kids. Betty must&#039;ve had Sally when she was 20, 21? She wasn&#039;t mature enough herself and she&#039;s still really struggling with it now. 
 
But I don&#039;t think the Draper kids are suffering any real damage at the moment. They still seem to love their parents. When Betty came back from the hospital they were hugging her and saying they missed her. Betty can bark at them, but they seem pretty resiliant to it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22. I certain agree with that. You&#039;re right that wives became mothers just because they saw it as the next thing to do. In a way I see Trudy&#039;s infertility and Peggy giving up her child as a mixed blessing. They have the chance to develop strength within themselves, not having to be strong for their kids. Betty must&#039;ve had Sally when she was 20, 21? She wasn&#039;t mature enough herself and she&#039;s still really struggling with it now. </p>
<p>But I don&#039;t think the Draper kids are suffering any real damage at the moment. They still seem to love their parents. When Betty came back from the hospital they were hugging her and saying they missed her. Betty can bark at them, but they seem pretty resiliant to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 - Correct. We don&#039;t have the benefit of seeing Mona/The Campbells interacting with Margaret/Pete &amp; his brother when they were children. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Mrs. Campbell was cold toward her children, and look how they turned out. One is a manchild, stuck between childhood and adulthood, and the other is just an asshole. 
 
But Mona - no, Mona is not a &#039;cuddly mother&#039;, but you can still see the genuine affection she has for Margaret, even when she&#039;s frustrated with her. And again, we don&#039;t have the benefit of seeing how Mona dealt when Margaret was a child, this is all based on what we&#039;ve been shown. 
 
Betty is fine when the kids are behaving, but the slightest misbehavior brings out this completely different, ugly person. Maybe I&#039;m wrong, maybe you have to be a mother/parent to truly understand (I&#039;m a 21 year old guy with absolutely no thoughts of children any time soon) but I just don&#039;t see it. 
 
Maybe the &#039;she wasn&#039;t meant to be a mother&#039; thing was a little harsh, but you have to admit that some women are just better at it than others, or at least are more mentally equipped to deal with it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 &#8211; Correct. We don&#039;t have the benefit of seeing Mona/The Campbells interacting with Margaret/Pete &amp; his brother when they were children. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Mrs. Campbell was cold toward her children, and look how they turned out. One is a manchild, stuck between childhood and adulthood, and the other is just an asshole. </p>
<p>But Mona &#8211; no, Mona is not a &#039;cuddly mother&#039;, but you can still see the genuine affection she has for Margaret, even when she&#039;s frustrated with her. And again, we don&#039;t have the benefit of seeing how Mona dealt when Margaret was a child, this is all based on what we&#039;ve been shown. </p>
<p>Betty is fine when the kids are behaving, but the slightest misbehavior brings out this completely different, ugly person. Maybe I&#039;m wrong, maybe you have to be a mother/parent to truly understand (I&#039;m a 21 year old guy with absolutely no thoughts of children any time soon) but I just don&#039;t see it. </p>
<p>Maybe the &#039;she wasn&#039;t meant to be a mother&#039; thing was a little harsh, but you have to admit that some women are just better at it than others, or at least are more mentally equipped to deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be too soap opera for Suzanne to take her life over Don? </description>
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		<title>By: Therese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Therese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, at the beginning of this season, there was speculation, and in an 
&#039;Ausieillo Files&#039; article on Entertainment Weekly.com that there would be a major character dying in a popular series, and that it wasn&#039;t a fake and that the character would still be dead next season.  MM was listed among the shows that this might happen on.  This week, there was an update in the same authors weekly piece stating that a significant character will die on &#039;The Mentalist&#039; -- so maybe MM dodges a bullet? hope so. It&#039;s driving me crazy that there was no preview of the finale last week, the only clue we have is just one picture of a smiling Don Draper on the AMC site. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/mad-men-season-3-episode-photos/don-draper-ep13.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/mad-men-se...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
However, I would not be surprised if there is an attempted suicide by a MM character, guessing maybe Suzanne, Betty, or Jane. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, at the beginning of this season, there was speculation, and in an<br />
&#039;Ausieillo Files&#039; article on Entertainment Weekly.com that there would be a major character dying in a popular series, and that it wasn&#039;t a fake and that the character would still be dead next season.  MM was listed among the shows that this might happen on.  This week, there was an update in the same authors weekly piece stating that a significant character will die on &#039;The Mentalist&#039; &#8212; so maybe MM dodges a bullet? hope so. It&#039;s driving me crazy that there was no preview of the finale last week, the only clue we have is just one picture of a smiling Don Draper on the AMC site.<br />
  <a target="_blank" href="http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/mad-men-season-3-episode-photos/don-draper-ep13.php"  rel="nofollow">http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/mad-men-se&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>However, I would not be surprised if there is an attempted suicide by a MM character, guessing maybe Suzanne, Betty, or Jane.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Medicine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Medicine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that Mona and the Campbells are dealing with full-grown adults, not literally children. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that Mona and the Campbells are dealing with full-grown adults, not literally children.</p>
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