Comments on: A tiny sign that the old order really is dead

By: SFCaramia

SFCaramia — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:26:30 +0000

#28 Gingere–Yes, you're right, but just the mere fact that she even considered going there instead of elsewhere like Harry's office shows how much things have changed between 1960 and 1963.

By: gypsy howell

gypsy howell — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:57:57 +0000

Hmmmm… Somehow I don't see Bob Denver being the suave, handsome, rogue-ish man about town described by Roger.

By: CLIFFROBIN

CLIFFROBIN — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:19:52 +0000

There are times I imagine that Bert Coopers old business partner Mr. Sterling would have been played by Bob Denver!

Now where did that come from? lol

By: Ms. Darkly

Ms. Darkly — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:27:17 +0000

I agree that things have changed at SC, and that this is a sign of that, but this was also an unusual circumstance — much like Carla sitting on the couch and having a smoke. I think events might have brought down some of the walls that are normally up.

By: Gingere

Gingere — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:08:03 +0000

I think Peggy told Don she was planning to watch the funeral in Cooper's office and then she asked "is that ok?" and he nodded or said yes.

By: Madnesse

Madnesse — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:12:40 +0000

I don’t think Peggy really even asked Don if she could watch in Cooper’s office. She basically informed him she was going to watch the funeral, and asked him if he wanted to join her. She wasn’t afraid to enter his office, even though the guys had been afraid earlier.

By: Betsey

Betsey — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:08:08 +0000

While at Sterling Cooper Jane was childish but also very calculating. She was very much aware that a lot of the men at SC found her attractive, including Roger. She said goodbye to Roger so that he would know that she was being fired. Roger reinstated her not to get back at Joan, but because he found Jane attractive and he wanted to keep his options open.

I think Joan was a little jealous of Jane because she was getting a lot of male attention. Joan was threatened by that as she fancied herself as the resident "Office Bomb Shell".

By: Deborah Lipp

Deborah Lipp — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:05:37 +0000

Well, ultimately, I think the difference is that Peggy is considered an â€œexecutive,â€ and not a secretary. That gives her more leeway in terms of what she can and cannot do at the office.

Paul is exactly equal to Peggy in status (higher, since he's got a penis) and he was terrified to enter Cooper's office. If Don hadn't come in, Peggy would have gone.

It's true, Jane was fired for insubordination, but look at how things have changed!

By: Peggy Joan

Peggy Joan — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:47:19 +0000

@madnesse #23, yes, that's how I remember it too.

@ Empress Rouge #24, Once Roger clarified that it was Joan, not Don, who fired Jane, I wonder if he "unfired" Jane just to get Joan's attention — a little post-rejection spite? I think Jane became Roger's rebound relationship only after Joan made it clear several times that she wasn't going to cheat on Greg with Roger.

I think Jane's bold move to say goodbye to him in order to create an opportunity to have the firing reversed really appealed to Roger — he saw a little bit of Joan's cleverness in that move. If he can't have Joan, he'll settle for the next best thing. So yes, I agree that part of Joan's almost instant dislike for Jane was an urge to protect Roger from this woman.

It would have galled me a bit to think that Roger never offered to divorce his wife for me, but he did that AND sold SC to the Brits just so he could marry Jane.

By: Empress Rouge

Empress Rouge — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:25:37 +0000

Joan fired Jane because Jane talked back to her and called her old: "What's wrong with you? … Are you the only one who's allowed to have fun around here? … Please, I don't need a mother. I'm 20 years old." Remember, Roger only hired Jane back after he found out it was Joan who did the firing. He initially thought it had been Don, and didn't look like he was going to reverse anything.

A question in my mind: Did Jane's affair with Roger start before or after The Gold Violin? My impression is, Jane got fired and went to Roger and initiated the affair to save her job. It looked like she had been trying to nab Don beforehand, and Roger kept making comments about that.
On the other hand, she might have gone to Roger because they already had a tryst. Either way, when Joan questioned Jane about talking to Mr. Sterling, Joan knew what had or was going to happen: Jane had replaced her as queen bee and in Roger's heart (he took Jane's side over Joan's).

We've never seen Peggy go into Cooper's office. Hope she remembered to take off her shoes. Actually, we haven't seen most of the chipmunks do it before the B & E. Only Pete went in to expose Don, and Harry to go over TV stuff.