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		<title>By: cub</title>
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		<dc:creator>cub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay-- 
remember back at #4, re. john hamm dressed as oswald?  well i was re-viewing his first appearance on 30rock, &quot;generalissimo.&quot;  when liz knocks on his door, a man named OSWALD answers it before &#039;dr. drew&#039; can. 
 
this layer of the mad men onion smells like deeeep conspiracy... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay&#8211;<br />
remember back at #4, re. john hamm dressed as oswald?  well i was re-viewing his first appearance on 30rock, &quot;generalissimo.&quot;  when liz knocks on his door, a man named OSWALD answers it before &#039;dr. drew&#039; can. </p>
<p>this layer of the mad men onion smells like deeeep conspiracy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SmilerG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmilerG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who relies upon the Warren Report as the definitive authority on the JFK assassination, is (at best) under-informed, or (at worst) a complete fool. 
 
 
Last year, a book was published called &#226;&#8364;&#339;JFK &amp; The Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters&#226;&#8364;. 
 
The author of the book, Jim Douglass, was interviewed by Len Osanic on the Black-Op Radio webcast, over the course of several weeks. 
 
These interviews are well worth the time of anyone who is interested in looking more closely at the &#226;&#8364;&#339;whys&#226;&#8364; behind the JFK assassination. 
 
Douglass lays out the journey that led JFK in the course of three years from his position as a traditional Cold Warrior to his determination to break with the logic of the Cold War and lead the world in an entirely different direction. This sequence of steps led his adversaries in the military and intelligence establishment to view him as a virtual traitor who had to be eliminated. 
 
I can&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t recommend these interview segments (or his book) highly enough. You can get it from Amazon for less than $20.00 and after listening to these conversations with Jim Douglass, you&#226;&#8364;&#8482;ll definitely want to add this volume to your library! 
 
- this link provides the entire six-part series of interviews ...  &lt;a href=&quot;http://funnygurusdca.livejournal.com/1528068.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://funnygurusdca.livejournal.com/1528068.html&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who relies upon the Warren Report as the definitive authority on the JFK assassination, is (at best) under-informed, or (at worst) a complete fool. </p>
<p>Last year, a book was published called &acirc;&euro;&oelig;JFK &amp; The Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters&acirc;&euro;. </p>
<p>The author of the book, Jim Douglass, was interviewed by Len Osanic on the Black-Op Radio webcast, over the course of several weeks. </p>
<p>These interviews are well worth the time of anyone who is interested in looking more closely at the &acirc;&euro;&oelig;whys&acirc;&euro; behind the JFK assassination. </p>
<p>Douglass lays out the journey that led JFK in the course of three years from his position as a traditional Cold Warrior to his determination to break with the logic of the Cold War and lead the world in an entirely different direction. This sequence of steps led his adversaries in the military and intelligence establishment to view him as a virtual traitor who had to be eliminated. </p>
<p>I can&acirc;&euro;&trade;t recommend these interview segments (or his book) highly enough. You can get it from Amazon for less than $20.00 and after listening to these conversations with Jim Douglass, you&acirc;&euro;&trade;ll definitely want to add this volume to your library! </p>
<p>- this link provides the entire six-part series of interviews &#8230;  <a target="_blank" href="http://funnygurusdca.livejournal.com/1528068.html"  rel="nofollow">http://funnygurusdca.livejournal.com/1528068.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Warren Commission report settled all open questions regarding the assassination of President Kennedy.  An exhaustive investigation and report was prepared and may be viewed at the following link:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-1.html#conclusions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commi...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Key excerpts follow: 
&quot;This Commission was created on November 29, 1963, in recognition of the right of people everywhere to full and truthful knowledge concerning these events.&quot; 
 
&quot;The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired from the sixth floor window at the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository.&quot; 
 
&quot; There is no credible evidence that the shots were fired from the Triple Underpass, ahead of the motorcade, or from any other location.&quot; 
 
&quot;The weight of the evidence indicates that there were three shots fired.&quot; 
 
&quot;The Commission has found no evidence that either Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby was part of any conspiracy, domestic or foreign, to assassinate President Kennedy. &quot; 
 
Assassination conspiracy theories continue for the best of all possible reasons, it is impossible to prove a negative.  As a once formidable character said &#226;&#8364;&#339;I hate to break it to you but there is no big lie. There is no system. The universe is indifferent.&#226;&#8364; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Warren Commission report settled all open questions regarding the assassination of President Kennedy.  An exhaustive investigation and report was prepared and may be viewed at the following link:  <a target="_blank" href="http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-1.html#conclusions"  rel="nofollow">http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commi&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>Key excerpts follow:<br />
&quot;This Commission was created on November 29, 1963, in recognition of the right of people everywhere to full and truthful knowledge concerning these events.&quot; </p>
<p>&quot;The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired from the sixth floor window at the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository.&quot; </p>
<p>&quot; There is no credible evidence that the shots were fired from the Triple Underpass, ahead of the motorcade, or from any other location.&quot; </p>
<p>&quot;The weight of the evidence indicates that there were three shots fired.&quot; </p>
<p>&quot;The Commission has found no evidence that either Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby was part of any conspiracy, domestic or foreign, to assassinate President Kennedy. &quot; </p>
<p>Assassination conspiracy theories continue for the best of all possible reasons, it is impossible to prove a negative.  As a once formidable character said &acirc;&euro;&oelig;I hate to break it to you but there is no big lie. There is no system. The universe is indifferent.&acirc;&euro;</p>
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		<title>By: SmilerG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmilerG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the Basketcases, of course, are familiar with Saint John Powell. 
 
May I now introduce you to another Saint John -- Saint John Hunt. 
 
He is the son of the late E. Howard Hunt, who was one of the Watergate burglars and before that, he had worked for the CIA, from 1949 until 1970. 
 
Prior to the his death in 2007, Hunt provided his son with an audio tape, describing some of the circumstances of &quot;The Big Event&quot; (a code name for the JFK assassination). 
 
You can listen to a portion of Hunt&#039;s tape and an interview with Saint John Hunt. 
 
If you have Real Player, open the application and under &quot;File,&quot; use the pull down menu for the &quot;Open Location&quot; feature and paste-in this web address:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackopradio.com/black331a.ram&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.blackopradio.com/black331a.ram&lt;/a&gt; 
 
There&#039;s also an in-depth article from &quot;Rolling Stone&quot; in April, 2007, which you can read, here ...  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt/1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/138931...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Given his lifelong profession as a spy, who knows if the so-called &quot;deathbed confession&quot; is the truth, or if it&#039;s just a last bit of CIA disinformation or misdirection about the JFK case. 
 
Whatever it is, it&#039;s quite fascinating! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the Basketcases, of course, are familiar with Saint John Powell. </p>
<p>May I now introduce you to another Saint John &#8212; Saint John Hunt. </p>
<p>He is the son of the late E. Howard Hunt, who was one of the Watergate burglars and before that, he had worked for the CIA, from 1949 until 1970. </p>
<p>Prior to the his death in 2007, Hunt provided his son with an audio tape, describing some of the circumstances of &quot;The Big Event&quot; (a code name for the JFK assassination). </p>
<p>You can listen to a portion of Hunt&#039;s tape and an interview with Saint John Hunt. </p>
<p>If you have Real Player, open the application and under &quot;File,&quot; use the pull down menu for the &quot;Open Location&quot; feature and paste-in this web address:  <a target="_blank" href="http://www.blackopradio.com/black331a.ram"  rel="nofollow">http://www.blackopradio.com/black331a.ram</a> </p>
<p>There&#039;s also an in-depth article from &quot;Rolling Stone&quot; in April, 2007, which you can read, here &#8230;  <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt/1"  rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/138931&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>Given his lifelong profession as a spy, who knows if the so-called &quot;deathbed confession&quot; is the truth, or if it&#039;s just a last bit of CIA disinformation or misdirection about the JFK case. </p>
<p>Whatever it is, it&#039;s quite fascinating!</p>
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		<title>By: 68firebird</title>
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		<dc:creator>68firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>soooo, 
my take... 
 
Don is Oswald.  He is dressed like Oswald at the same time Oswald gets shot, right?  And, to Betty, he did assassinate Betty&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s perfect world. 
 
Don is a patsy.  Betty&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s world is rocked, and while Don is responsible for a whole lot of it, Betty&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s responsible too.  And Betty blames Don for everything.  He alone is convicted by Betty&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s Dallas police for the furtherance of a duplicative and philandering conspiracy to assassinate Betty&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s Perfect World.  Did Don act alone?  Is it really ALL his fault?  Don is the patsy, taking the fall for an immature, doomed marriage. 
 
Betty is Ruby. And, as #24 pointed out, she takes matters into her own hands and kills Don with her .38 caliber Colt &#226;&#8364;&#339;I don&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t love you&#226;&#8364; to the gut. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soooo,<br />
my take&#8230; </p>
<p>Don is Oswald.  He is dressed like Oswald at the same time Oswald gets shot, right?  And, to Betty, he did assassinate Betty&acirc;&euro;&trade;s perfect world. </p>
<p>Don is a patsy.  Betty&acirc;&euro;&trade;s world is rocked, and while Don is responsible for a whole lot of it, Betty&acirc;&euro;&trade;s responsible too.  And Betty blames Don for everything.  He alone is convicted by Betty&acirc;&euro;&trade;s Dallas police for the furtherance of a duplicative and philandering conspiracy to assassinate Betty&acirc;&euro;&trade;s Perfect World.  Did Don act alone?  Is it really ALL his fault?  Don is the patsy, taking the fall for an immature, doomed marriage. </p>
<p>Betty is Ruby. And, as #24 pointed out, she takes matters into her own hands and kills Don with her .38 caliber Colt &acirc;&euro;&oelig;I don&acirc;&euro;&trade;t love you&acirc;&euro; to the gut.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Maul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Maul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...oops, I meant it But it DOESN&#039;T have to be a literal recreation to work. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;oops, I meant it But it DOESN&#039;T have to be a literal recreation to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Maul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Maul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@106 Mama Louise 
 
&lt;i&gt;He&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s carrying boxes, not a package that resembles curtain rods or a rifle. Why point him out at all? Did Oswald wear a hunting hat into the book depository the day of the shooting?&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Well no.  But it does have to be a literal recreation to work.  IF you accept that Pete and Oswald are being linked at that moment, placing a character wearing a hunting cap behind Pete as he glances over at Ken (&quot;with his haircut&quot;) is notable.  The packages just struck me as consistent with the famous accounts of Oswald being observed entering work carrying a package HE claimed were curtain rods. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@106 Mama Louise </p>
<p><i>He&acirc;&euro;&trade;s carrying boxes, not a package that resembles curtain rods or a rifle. Why point him out at all? Did Oswald wear a hunting hat into the book depository the day of the shooting?</i> </p>
<p>Well no.  But it does have to be a literal recreation to work.  IF you accept that Pete and Oswald are being linked at that moment, placing a character wearing a hunting cap behind Pete as he glances over at Ken (&quot;with his haircut&quot;) is notable.  The packages just struck me as consistent with the famous accounts of Oswald being observed entering work carrying a package HE claimed were curtain rods.</p>
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		<title>By: less of me</title>
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		<dc:creator>less of me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOM&#039;s conspiracy haiku 
 
Sniper or patsy? 
Neither tempers the weather. 
To each her passions. 
 
And for me (and Suzanne) the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVtpnpCOKM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;only Patsy that still matters.&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOM&#039;s conspiracy haiku </p>
<p>Sniper or patsy?<br />
Neither tempers the weather.<br />
To each her passions. </p>
<p>And for me (and Suzanne) the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVtpnpCOKM"  rel="nofollow">only Patsy that still matters.</a></p>
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		<title>By: esme</title>
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		<dc:creator>esme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Oswald and international conspiracy - some people who worked in intel at the time thought that there was a benign cover-up - i.e. those in positions of power did not want the assassination to become the catalyst for an invasion of, say, Cuba. 
 
This is where the question of Operation Northwoods comes into play. 
 
...because some people would have loved an excuse to invade Cuba to get rid of Castro and make Cuba safe for the mafia. of course, we&#039;d never have powerful people who would lie about the threat of the enemy du jour in order to overthrow a govt... or let those who lied get away with it. both the far right and far left had reasons to want Kennedy dead. 
 
When people were interviewed on site, the guy with his son, Jean Hill, Mary Moreman, many, many others all stated a shot came from the front of Kennedy. 
 
Jim Lehrer, from McNeil-Lehrer on PBS, was on site at the time and ran over to the grassy knoll to see if they caught the person firing from that angle (he&#039;s also on film doing that very thing at the scene.) 
 
Kennedy&#039;s acting press secretary is on camera (a shot that was excluded from the &quot;beyond conspiracy&quot; documentary, btw - cut before that moment) pointing to his right temple to indicate that Kennedy was killed by a shot to the head. He didn&#039;t point to the back of his head. He pointed to the front of his head. 
 
Doctors on the scene performed a trach that obscured the ENTRY wound the DOCTORS claimed was in the front of Kennedy&#039;s throat (the shot where Kennedy&#039;s arms fly up to his neck, before the fatal headshot.) 
 
No one has been able to examine Kennedy&#039;s brain because it is missing. 
 
Hoover knew about Oswald before that day, as was shown by his handwritten notes about the same BEFORE the assassination. Why would the FBI let a known nutcase who they had been tracking work in a building along the presidential motorcade. 
 
a guy in Miami talked to an undercover cop about the plans to kill Kennedy there (in Miami) before Dallas. because of Kennedy&#039;s refusal to go the bay of pigs route any further. Rich and connected right wingers then, (H.L. Hunt) like now, called for the death of the sitting president. 
 
too many things unknown for any conclusions without speculation becoming part of the conclusion. 
 
personally, in the dollhouse of my ibsen-waits skull, I think Tippet was supposed to kill Oswald but got shot himself, instead. maybe that&#039;s when Oswald figured out he was a patsy. 
 
or maybe he acted alone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Oswald and international conspiracy &#8211; some people who worked in intel at the time thought that there was a benign cover-up &#8211; i.e. those in positions of power did not want the assassination to become the catalyst for an invasion of, say, Cuba. </p>
<p>This is where the question of Operation Northwoods comes into play. </p>
<p>&#8230;because some people would have loved an excuse to invade Cuba to get rid of Castro and make Cuba safe for the mafia. of course, we&#039;d never have powerful people who would lie about the threat of the enemy du jour in order to overthrow a govt&#8230; or let those who lied get away with it. both the far right and far left had reasons to want Kennedy dead. </p>
<p>When people were interviewed on site, the guy with his son, Jean Hill, Mary Moreman, many, many others all stated a shot came from the front of Kennedy. </p>
<p>Jim Lehrer, from McNeil-Lehrer on PBS, was on site at the time and ran over to the grassy knoll to see if they caught the person firing from that angle (he&#039;s also on film doing that very thing at the scene.) </p>
<p>Kennedy&#039;s acting press secretary is on camera (a shot that was excluded from the &quot;beyond conspiracy&quot; documentary, btw &#8211; cut before that moment) pointing to his right temple to indicate that Kennedy was killed by a shot to the head. He didn&#039;t point to the back of his head. He pointed to the front of his head. </p>
<p>Doctors on the scene performed a trach that obscured the ENTRY wound the DOCTORS claimed was in the front of Kennedy&#039;s throat (the shot where Kennedy&#039;s arms fly up to his neck, before the fatal headshot.) </p>
<p>No one has been able to examine Kennedy&#039;s brain because it is missing. </p>
<p>Hoover knew about Oswald before that day, as was shown by his handwritten notes about the same BEFORE the assassination. Why would the FBI let a known nutcase who they had been tracking work in a building along the presidential motorcade. </p>
<p>a guy in Miami talked to an undercover cop about the plans to kill Kennedy there (in Miami) before Dallas. because of Kennedy&#039;s refusal to go the bay of pigs route any further. Rich and connected right wingers then, (H.L. Hunt) like now, called for the death of the sitting president. </p>
<p>too many things unknown for any conclusions without speculation becoming part of the conclusion. </p>
<p>personally, in the dollhouse of my ibsen-waits skull, I think Tippet was supposed to kill Oswald but got shot himself, instead. maybe that&#039;s when Oswald figured out he was a patsy. </p>
<p>or maybe he acted alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mama Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mama Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi--I&#039;m watching &quot;The Grown Ups&quot; with my sister (who&#039;s visiting from Arizona!!) We have a question -- what is the significance of the delivery guy wearing a red plaid hat? He&#039;s carrying boxes, not a package that resembles curtain rods or a rifle.  Why point him out at all? Did Oswald wear a hunting hat into the book depository the day of the shooting?  We just can&#039;t make a connection. Probably because we are shopping too much!  4 hours at IKEA will fry your brain.  :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&#8211;I&#039;m watching &quot;The Grown Ups&quot; with my sister (who&#039;s visiting from Arizona!!) We have a question &#8212; what is the significance of the delivery guy wearing a red plaid hat? He&#039;s carrying boxes, not a package that resembles curtain rods or a rifle.  Why point him out at all? Did Oswald wear a hunting hat into the book depository the day of the shooting?  We just can&#039;t make a connection. Probably because we are shopping too much!  4 hours at IKEA will fry your brain.  <img src='http://www.lippsisters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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