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		<title>By: Maalox Moment &#124; Basket of Kisses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maalox Moment &#124; Basket of Kisses</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: saber2185</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t know where else to put this, and I figured this would be the best post. 
 
The History Channel is showing a special, JFK: 3 shots that changed America. It does sort of a timeline and uses newsreels and personal video clips to show what was happening at different important times. They show people saying where they were &amp; what they were doing when they heard the president was shot. They also show the aftermath... All the wild ideas about Oswald having ties to political organizations, Russian influence, etc. 
 
It is well done, and can help provide a window into what it was like to have been alive when that happened. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#039;t know where else to put this, and I figured this would be the best post. </p>
<p>The History Channel is showing a special, JFK: 3 shots that changed America. It does sort of a timeline and uses newsreels and personal video clips to show what was happening at different important times. They show people saying where they were &amp; what they were doing when they heard the president was shot. They also show the aftermath&#8230; All the wild ideas about Oswald having ties to political organizations, Russian influence, etc. </p>
<p>It is well done, and can help provide a window into what it was like to have been alive when that happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Hell&#039;s Belle</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not_Bridget:  thanks also for the post from the broadcasting museum.  That described to a tee what I was wondering with regard to the assassination being televised.  My mother&#039;s memory is spot-on! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not_Bridget:  thanks also for the post from the broadcasting museum.  That described to a tee what I was wondering with regard to the assassination being televised.  My mother&#039;s memory is spot-on!</p>
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		<title>By: Hell&#039;s Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hell&#039;s Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 72 not_Bridget:  Yes!!  I was thinking the same thing about Harry and the commercials! </description>
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		<title>By: esme</title>
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		<dc:creator>esme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I guess this qualifies as another post on that subject, but in the context of history and Mad Men seasons. 
 
Did anyone ever write about the United Fruit connections when Mad Men did the Kennedy-Nixon campaign? 
 
That&#039;s really part of America&#039;s &quot;lost history.&quot; Our overthrow of democratically-elected officials in Latin America continues to this day. Those are not the actions of a democracy. John Ashcroft refused to let workers for Chiquita sue when company stooges forced people to work at gunpoint. Forced labor is also not the action of a democracy. Of course, these undemocratic actions are not limited to republicans, since Kermit Roosevelt oversaw the overthrow of Mossedegh in Iran in the 1950s. But Eisenhower had to sign off on it, just as he signed off on the Latin American coups. 
 
And tying back to the Kennedy-centered season 3, another big part of America&#039;s &quot;lost history&quot; was the coup plot planned by members of the J.P. Morgan co. (big bail out winners recently, unsurprisingly), a member of the Du Pont family and the &quot;America league&quot; a right-wing fascist organization in the U.S. that opposed the New Deal. 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,754551-2,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Time Magazine&lt;/a&gt; tried to undermine General Smedley Butler, the man the right wingers contacted to be the coup figurehead (he also stood with the Bonus Army marchers who camped out in D.C. when Patton and MacArthur tried to kill U.S. troops who demanded the money they had been promised to them as soldiers during WWI) but finally had to admit that the U.S. House of Representatives did find that Butler&#039;s testimony to them was true. 
 
So, conspiracies to kill or overthrow the president of the United States did not start with Kennedy. Nor were attempts by the media powers in the U.S. to ridicule the truths of these treasonous actions by rich and powerful people. 
 
Henry Ford, at that time, also wrote The International Jew, which was a fascist screed against Jewish people. He&#039;s rarely if ever presented as the anti-semitic asshole that he was. 
 
Conrad Hilton reminds me of these people with his talk of manifest destiny and his association with the rise of Goldwater and, eventually, Reagan and his enfranchisement of the southern theocrats, followed by the neo-conservatives using these same theocrats to get elected for foreign policy goals... on to now and the monster that this has created in this nation. 
 
I don&#039;t think the allusion arising from the Hilton character is accidental, as MW&#039;s passing remark about United Fruit demonstrates he is aware of much of America&#039;s &quot;lost history&quot; as well. 
 
When the show brought on the &quot;death vish&quot; woman, I thought that was another nod to Bernays and his use of advertising/public relations for social control. 
 
Don&#039;s dismissal of Freudian concepts, to me, demonstrated he was both behind and ahead of his time since Freud was so obviously bound to his Victorian cultural mileu he couldn&#039;t even imagine what women want and had to pretend they wanted a penis, when in fact women wanted the autonomy and power that a simple accident of birth had conferred upon men for centuries. 
 
Men never had to a damn thing to have privileged status because they had simply been born into a culture with centuries of religious and social belief that conspired to maintain this power over females. The same could be said about inherited or accumulated wealth and its power over democratic processes. Those are the sorts of conspiracies that are really pernicious because they are rarely labeled as such because they have become part of the ideology of a culture and then conflate power with democracy when the two are artificially constructed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I guess this qualifies as another post on that subject, but in the context of history and Mad Men seasons. </p>
<p>Did anyone ever write about the United Fruit connections when Mad Men did the Kennedy-Nixon campaign? </p>
<p>That&#039;s really part of America&#039;s &quot;lost history.&quot; Our overthrow of democratically-elected officials in Latin America continues to this day. Those are not the actions of a democracy. John Ashcroft refused to let workers for Chiquita sue when company stooges forced people to work at gunpoint. Forced labor is also not the action of a democracy. Of course, these undemocratic actions are not limited to republicans, since Kermit Roosevelt oversaw the overthrow of Mossedegh in Iran in the 1950s. But Eisenhower had to sign off on it, just as he signed off on the Latin American coups. </p>
<p>And tying back to the Kennedy-centered season 3, another big part of America&#039;s &quot;lost history&quot; was the coup plot planned by members of the J.P. Morgan co. (big bail out winners recently, unsurprisingly), a member of the Du Pont family and the &quot;America league&quot; a right-wing fascist organization in the U.S. that opposed the New Deal. </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,754551-2,00.html"  rel="nofollow">Time Magazine</a> tried to undermine General Smedley Butler, the man the right wingers contacted to be the coup figurehead (he also stood with the Bonus Army marchers who camped out in D.C. when Patton and MacArthur tried to kill U.S. troops who demanded the money they had been promised to them as soldiers during WWI) but finally had to admit that the U.S. House of Representatives did find that Butler&#039;s testimony to them was true. </p>
<p>So, conspiracies to kill or overthrow the president of the United States did not start with Kennedy. Nor were attempts by the media powers in the U.S. to ridicule the truths of these treasonous actions by rich and powerful people. </p>
<p>Henry Ford, at that time, also wrote The International Jew, which was a fascist screed against Jewish people. He&#039;s rarely if ever presented as the anti-semitic asshole that he was. </p>
<p>Conrad Hilton reminds me of these people with his talk of manifest destiny and his association with the rise of Goldwater and, eventually, Reagan and his enfranchisement of the southern theocrats, followed by the neo-conservatives using these same theocrats to get elected for foreign policy goals&#8230; on to now and the monster that this has created in this nation. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think the allusion arising from the Hilton character is accidental, as MW&#039;s passing remark about United Fruit demonstrates he is aware of much of America&#039;s &quot;lost history&quot; as well. </p>
<p>When the show brought on the &quot;death vish&quot; woman, I thought that was another nod to Bernays and his use of advertising/public relations for social control. </p>
<p>Don&#039;s dismissal of Freudian concepts, to me, demonstrated he was both behind and ahead of his time since Freud was so obviously bound to his Victorian cultural mileu he couldn&#039;t even imagine what women want and had to pretend they wanted a penis, when in fact women wanted the autonomy and power that a simple accident of birth had conferred upon men for centuries. </p>
<p>Men never had to a damn thing to have privileged status because they had simply been born into a culture with centuries of religious and social belief that conspired to maintain this power over females. The same could be said about inherited or accumulated wealth and its power over democratic processes. Those are the sorts of conspiracies that are really pernicious because they are rarely labeled as such because they have become part of the ideology of a culture and then conflate power with democracy when the two are artificially constructed.</p>
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		<title>By: RetroGirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 72 not_Bridget- 
 
When I first read 71, I had the same thought. Harry is going to throw a fit. He&#039;s not clueless about his job. Harry does his actual job, at least the way it&#039;s written on paper, well. We&#039;ve never heard a client complain about, &quot;how dare you ran that ad of mine after that scene.&quot; Where Harry fails is office politics, basically anything to do with people. 
 
 I&#039;m so torn between wanting to see Sterling Cooper react to 11/22/63 as it happens, and wanting to see the reactions a few days later. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 72 not_Bridget- </p>
<p>When I first read 71, I had the same thought. Harry is going to throw a fit. He&#039;s not clueless about his job. Harry does his actual job, at least the way it&#039;s written on paper, well. We&#039;ve never heard a client complain about, &quot;how dare you ran that ad of mine after that scene.&quot; Where Harry fails is office politics, basically anything to do with people. </p>
<p> I&#039;m so torn between wanting to see Sterling Cooper react to 11/22/63 as it happens, and wanting to see the reactions a few days later.</p>
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		<title>By: not_Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>not_Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One brief addition to my overly verbose last post: Harry&#039;s reaction to the unprecendented TV coverage of the First Kennedy Assassination? 
 
&quot;They&#039;re not showing any of our commercials!&quot; 
 
Clueless dweeb.... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One brief addition to my overly verbose last post: Harry&#039;s reaction to the unprecendented TV coverage of the First Kennedy Assassination? </p>
<p>&quot;They&#039;re not showing any of our commercials!&quot; </p>
<p>Clueless dweeb&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: not_Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>not_Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From The Museum of Broadcast Communications: &lt;i&gt;The network coverage of the assassination and funeral of John F. Kennedy warrants its reputation as the most moving and historic passage in broadcasting history. On Friday 22 November 1963, news bulletins reporting rifle shots during the president&#039;s motorcade in Dallas, Texas, broke into normal programming. Soon the three networks preempted their regular schedules and all commercial advertising for a wrenching marathon that would conclude only after the president&#039;s burial at Arlington National Cemetery on Monday 25 November. As a purely technical challenge, the continuous live coverage over four days of a single, unbidden event remains the signature achievement of broadcast journalism in the era of three network hegemony. But perhaps the true measure of the television coverage of the events surrounding the death of President Kennedy is that it marked how intimately the medium and the nation are interwoven in times of crisis.&lt;/i&gt;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/K/htmlK/kennedyjf/kennedyjf.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/K/htmlK/kennedy...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
But other stories had been televised earlier.  Hurricane Carla swept through Texas in 1961--the first hurricane to be shown &quot;live.&quot;  Young Houston newsman Dan Rather caught the eyes of the country by being the first guy to ever stand outside with a microphone, buffetted by the hurricane force winds &amp; rain. 
 
And I remember, back in the 50&#039;s, my mother spending all day watching the dullest TV show in the world. We&#039;d just moved from South Dakota--where there was &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; TV.  But this show was just a bunch of guys in suits, sitting at big tables &amp; talking.  Later, I realized it was the McCarthy hearings.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army%E2%80%93McCarthy_hearings&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army%E2%80%93McCarth...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Back to Our Show: Still don&#039;t know how It will be depicted.  The ill-starred wedding might be a chance for all our characters to get together &amp; exchange impressions.  Will someone smuggle a TV into the reception?  Will the Open Bar inspire everybody to say a bunch of things that needed to be said?  Or things better not said? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From The Museum of Broadcast Communications: <i>The network coverage of the assassination and funeral of John F. Kennedy warrants its reputation as the most moving and historic passage in broadcasting history. On Friday 22 November 1963, news bulletins reporting rifle shots during the president&#039;s motorcade in Dallas, Texas, broke into normal programming. Soon the three networks preempted their regular schedules and all commercial advertising for a wrenching marathon that would conclude only after the president&#039;s burial at Arlington National Cemetery on Monday 25 November. As a purely technical challenge, the continuous live coverage over four days of a single, unbidden event remains the signature achievement of broadcast journalism in the era of three network hegemony. But perhaps the true measure of the television coverage of the events surrounding the death of President Kennedy is that it marked how intimately the medium and the nation are interwoven in times of crisis.</i>  <a target="_blank" href="http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/K/htmlK/kennedyjf/kennedyjf.htm"  rel="nofollow">http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/K/htmlK/kennedy&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>But other stories had been televised earlier.  Hurricane Carla swept through Texas in 1961&#8211;the first hurricane to be shown &quot;live.&quot;  Young Houston newsman Dan Rather caught the eyes of the country by being the first guy to ever stand outside with a microphone, buffetted by the hurricane force winds &amp; rain. </p>
<p>And I remember, back in the 50&#039;s, my mother spending all day watching the dullest TV show in the world. We&#039;d just moved from South Dakota&#8211;where there was <i>no</i> TV.  But this show was just a bunch of guys in suits, sitting at big tables &amp; talking.  Later, I realized it was the McCarthy hearings.  <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army%E2%80%93McCarthy_hearings"  rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army%E2%80%93McCarth&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>Back to Our Show: Still don&#039;t know how It will be depicted.  The ill-starred wedding might be a chance for all our characters to get together &amp; exchange impressions.  Will someone smuggle a TV into the reception?  Will the Open Bar inspire everybody to say a bunch of things that needed to be said?  Or things better not said?</p>
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		<title>By: esme</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my one jfk assassination post. 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.playboy.com/magazine/features/jfk/jfk-page01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jefferson Morley&lt;/a&gt;, writing for Playboy.com, looks at various issues and, to me, is more objective than a lot of things out there. 
 
Since Robert Baer outed Operation Northwoods, who knows, who can know, who might have been playing whom. I mean that literally. Nevertheless, the sun comes up every day and we make our ways to work. 
 
and - just to say- YES to Don DeLillo. both White Noise and Libra. bathos and pathos - wonderfully written. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my one jfk assassination post. </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.playboy.com/magazine/features/jfk/jfk-page01.html"  rel="nofollow">Jefferson Morley</a>, writing for Playboy.com, looks at various issues and, to me, is more objective than a lot of things out there. </p>
<p>Since Robert Baer outed Operation Northwoods, who knows, who can know, who might have been playing whom. I mean that literally. Nevertheless, the sun comes up every day and we make our ways to work. </p>
<p>and &#8211; just to say- YES to Don DeLillo. both White Noise and Libra. bathos and pathos &#8211; wonderfully written.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish the Mythbusters would do the Kennedy Assassination, but they&#039;re probably too smart to get in all that hot water. I do remember Penn &amp; Teller doing a bit shooting melons wrapped in duct tape of fibreglass or whatever that showed how it always jumps towards the gun, but perhaps we&#039;re done with &quot;back, and to the left.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the Mythbusters would do the Kennedy Assassination, but they&#039;re probably too smart to get in all that hot water. I do remember Penn &amp; Teller doing a bit shooting melons wrapped in duct tape of fibreglass or whatever that showed how it always jumps towards the gun, but perhaps we&#039;re done with &quot;back, and to the left.&quot;</p>
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