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	<title>Comments on: It&#039;s Good To Be The King, or, Peggy and Her Hail Mary Pass</title>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Darkly, can I be your fan on Facebook? Forgive my late post, I&#039;m not terribly regular with this site between seasons. You&#039;ve managed to combine two of my favorite topics. I got really into the Henry VIII story thanks to Philippa Gregory&#039;s novels, to the point that I&#039;ve even read actual nonfiction on the topic. Henry VIII managed to change the course of world history because he was able to convince himself that the contents of his pants were the will of God. Not having the male heir just gave him the excuse. 
 
But isn&#039;t Rosie&#039;s point interesting? Peggy has had a accelerated journey upwards. Who else had such a thing? Anne Boleyn! They weren&#039;t too happy that the Boleyn family gained so much power so quickly, and so they had to be brought down. Quite severely! Anne did not produce a boy, giving Henry the excuse to get rid of her. But everyone around Henry was more than willing to help. She was hated for her meteoric rise. I hope the same thing does NOT happen to Peggy! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Darkly, can I be your fan on Facebook? Forgive my late post, I&#039;m not terribly regular with this site between seasons. You&#039;ve managed to combine two of my favorite topics. I got really into the Henry VIII story thanks to Philippa Gregory&#039;s novels, to the point that I&#039;ve even read actual nonfiction on the topic. Henry VIII managed to change the course of world history because he was able to convince himself that the contents of his pants were the will of God. Not having the male heir just gave him the excuse. </p>
<p>But isn&#039;t Rosie&#039;s point interesting? Peggy has had a accelerated journey upwards. Who else had such a thing? Anne Boleyn! They weren&#039;t too happy that the Boleyn family gained so much power so quickly, and so they had to be brought down. Quite severely! Anne did not produce a boy, giving Henry the excuse to get rid of her. But everyone around Henry was more than willing to help. She was hated for her meteoric rise. I hope the same thing does NOT happen to Peggy!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Bullitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Bullitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25 Melissa - I&#039;ve seen some of these women who don&#039;t want a &quot;man&quot; styling their hair.  You can spot them at K-mart wearing a Dale Earnhardt Sr. tee-shirt and a 64 oz. Big Gulp.  Great conversation starters with these people include, &quot;tell me why you are proud to be an American&quot; and &quot;is Jesus your savior?&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25 Melissa &#8211; I&#039;ve seen some of these women who don&#039;t want a &quot;man&quot; styling their hair.  You can spot them at K-mart wearing a Dale Earnhardt Sr. tee-shirt and a 64 oz. Big Gulp.  Great conversation starters with these people include, &quot;tell me why you are proud to be an American&quot; and &quot;is Jesus your savior?&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Darkly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. Darkly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosie, I understand. While some people are disagreeing with you, I think we all respect your opinion on this and understand that this affects and will affect how you view the story. I can see your perspective even as I have a different take on it. Her ascension has been speedy! :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosie, I understand. While some people are disagreeing with you, I think we all respect your opinion on this and understand that this affects and will affect how you view the story. I can see your perspective even as I have a different take on it. Her ascension has been speedy! <img src='http://www.lippsisters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weiner had promoted Peggy too fast.  That&#039;s all I have to say. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weiner had promoted Peggy too fast.  That&#039;s all I have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the SC boys already assume there&#039;s something not quite right about Peggy&#039;s success - as much as they seem to like her, I doubt they think she&#039;s in for the long haul. 
 
The idea of a client not wanting her would be a very interesting story to tell. She worked on the Right Guard account, but would a client want her writing copy for a Real Men&#039;s Product&#226;&#8222;&#162;, like chain saws or something? Would Bethlehem Steel have wanted her on the account? Heck, I know older people even today who don&#039;t think female physicians are proper doctors and seek out male ones instead, and women who don&#039;t want a man styling their hair. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the SC boys already assume there&#039;s something not quite right about Peggy&#039;s success &#8211; as much as they seem to like her, I doubt they think she&#039;s in for the long haul. </p>
<p>The idea of a client not wanting her would be a very interesting story to tell. She worked on the Right Guard account, but would a client want her writing copy for a Real Men&#039;s Product&acirc;&bdquo;&cent;, like chain saws or something? Would Bethlehem Steel have wanted her on the account? Heck, I know older people even today who don&#039;t think female physicians are proper doctors and seek out male ones instead, and women who don&#039;t want a man styling their hair.</p>
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		<title>By: portiaslegacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>portiaslegacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way advertising campaigns are put together is going to change very soon in the show&#039;s time line.  Matt Weiner said that part of the purpose of the Smith &amp; Smitty characters was to show that thee copywriter/artists teams we assume exist through advertising today were really new then.  Given Peggy&#039;s precarious relations with others in SC it would be interesting to see if this type of creative partnership is appealing or conducive to her. 
 
She also is not competitive, and has done little self promotion.  (Even people who hated Pete for his role in Freddy being sacked thought Peggy deserved the office more than Freddy.  Also in the BoK interview with Joel Murray he says that Freddy&#039;s championing of Peggy was a form of enabling himself, which she played along with.)  I am guessing that next season will have a lot more intra-office competition. 
 
A while back one of the Lipps pointed out that Don is relatively new to SC and being the creative director in Season 1.  The dinner in 1.02 was one of if not the first between the Sterlings and Drapers.  There is a lot of turn around in that field. 
 
Also something that struck me during the confession scene: as guarded as Peggy is, she might welcome a forum where she can talk freely and with out fear of being judged.  Maybe there would be opportunity to look for one. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way advertising campaigns are put together is going to change very soon in the show&#039;s time line.  Matt Weiner said that part of the purpose of the Smith &amp; Smitty characters was to show that thee copywriter/artists teams we assume exist through advertising today were really new then.  Given Peggy&#039;s precarious relations with others in SC it would be interesting to see if this type of creative partnership is appealing or conducive to her. </p>
<p>She also is not competitive, and has done little self promotion.  (Even people who hated Pete for his role in Freddy being sacked thought Peggy deserved the office more than Freddy.  Also in the BoK interview with Joel Murray he says that Freddy&#039;s championing of Peggy was a form of enabling himself, which she played along with.)  I am guessing that next season will have a lot more intra-office competition. </p>
<p>A while back one of the Lipps pointed out that Don is relatively new to SC and being the creative director in Season 1.  The dinner in 1.02 was one of if not the first between the Sterlings and Drapers.  There is a lot of turn around in that field. </p>
<p>Also something that struck me during the confession scene: as guarded as Peggy is, she might welcome a forum where she can talk freely and with out fear of being judged.  Maybe there would be opportunity to look for one.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;m just not fully convinced.  Allowing a twenty-something character to go from secretarial school graduate to secretary to junior copywriter to senior copywriter in a space of two-and-a-half years just seems ridiculous to me. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;m just not fully convinced.  Allowing a twenty-something character to go from secretarial school graduate to secretary to junior copywriter to senior copywriter in a space of two-and-a-half years just seems ridiculous to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Darkly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. Darkly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are plenty of stories  to be  told about Peggy&#039;s work life. I could name some, and probably will ::Grin::, but I&#039;m sure we&#039;re going to end up surprised. 
 
Luisa is right that at the end of the day they&#039;ll still see Peggy as a woman, akin to a piano playing dog. 
 
Think of the nature of prejudice. Peggy is Girl Wonder, and well-liked, but all she has to do is fall on her face once and the door is opened for the guys thinking she&#039;s risen too far, too fast. Her earlier successes could look like flukes if there is a predisposition to thinking that women aren&#039;t cut out  for her job. 
 
From the beginning. Don posed the question of what women wanted -- and then he answered the question and it comes down to an excuse to get closer to him, and maybe jewelry.  Roger thinks the answer is a candy pink stove. When the men had an opportunity on the Belle Jolie account  to observe women they used it as an excuse to leer and mock. Freddy, say what you will since he mocked  too, at least knew Peggy had it right. 
 
But I think these guys are fully capable of having a woman tell them what she wants only to shake their heads and say, &quot;No, that&#039;s not it!&quot; 
 
What about a storyline where a client just really does not want a woman on his account? Frankly, I think Don might tell them to go piss up a rope, but I could see others thinking she should maybe sit this one out. 
 
How about an account that turns the tables and makes Peggy have to figure out what men want? I know she wouldn&#039;t be clueless from the airline scene with Don, but would the men buy that she could be the best person for  the job? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are plenty of stories  to be  told about Peggy&#039;s work life. I could name some, and probably will ::Grin::, but I&#039;m sure we&#039;re going to end up surprised. </p>
<p>Luisa is right that at the end of the day they&#039;ll still see Peggy as a woman, akin to a piano playing dog. </p>
<p>Think of the nature of prejudice. Peggy is Girl Wonder, and well-liked, but all she has to do is fall on her face once and the door is opened for the guys thinking she&#039;s risen too far, too fast. Her earlier successes could look like flukes if there is a predisposition to thinking that women aren&#039;t cut out  for her job. </p>
<p>From the beginning. Don posed the question of what women wanted &#8212; and then he answered the question and it comes down to an excuse to get closer to him, and maybe jewelry.  Roger thinks the answer is a candy pink stove. When the men had an opportunity on the Belle Jolie account  to observe women they used it as an excuse to leer and mock. Freddy, say what you will since he mocked  too, at least knew Peggy had it right. </p>
<p>But I think these guys are fully capable of having a woman tell them what she wants only to shake their heads and say, &quot;No, that&#039;s not it!&quot; </p>
<p>What about a storyline where a client just really does not want a woman on his account? Frankly, I think Don might tell them to go piss up a rope, but I could see others thinking she should maybe sit this one out. </p>
<p>How about an account that turns the tables and makes Peggy have to figure out what men want? I know she wouldn&#039;t be clueless from the airline scene with Don, but would the men buy that she could be the best person for  the job?</p>
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		<title>By: Luisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Peggy still has a ways to go so far as earning respect from everyone in the office. Sure, she&#039;s risen far and fast, but she&#039;s still a woman, and I think that&#039;ll leave plenty of opportunity for her to be further challenged. Like when SC was interviewing younger people and she says she&#039;s only twenty-two, Paul says &quot;You don&#039;t count.&quot; And the general reaction from the boys when she got her office. And so on. Maybe in name she&#039;s high in rank, but she surely isn&#039;t treated that way, at least not yet. 
 
And about Pete: I also think he did want a child, unconsciously, but not with Trudy. Maybe he saw it as repeating his own parent&#039;s life cycle, and he just didn&#039;t want to bring a child into all that. He already did what he was supposed to do, in marrying rich, getting the apartment, etc. But I think he sees that it would be useless to bring a child into a loveless marriage.  And since he&#039;s fallen for Peggy, the bombshell just hit all the harder--the woman he really loves had his child and gave it away? By then, he would&#039;ve wanted the child. If she had told him earlier, he probably would&#039;ve resented her and never grown to love her as he does now. It&#039;s rather twisted, actually, now that I think about it. And sad. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Peggy still has a ways to go so far as earning respect from everyone in the office. Sure, she&#039;s risen far and fast, but she&#039;s still a woman, and I think that&#039;ll leave plenty of opportunity for her to be further challenged. Like when SC was interviewing younger people and she says she&#039;s only twenty-two, Paul says &quot;You don&#039;t count.&quot; And the general reaction from the boys when she got her office. And so on. Maybe in name she&#039;s high in rank, but she surely isn&#039;t treated that way, at least not yet. </p>
<p>And about Pete: I also think he did want a child, unconsciously, but not with Trudy. Maybe he saw it as repeating his own parent&#039;s life cycle, and he just didn&#039;t want to bring a child into all that. He already did what he was supposed to do, in marrying rich, getting the apartment, etc. But I think he sees that it would be useless to bring a child into a loveless marriage.  And since he&#039;s fallen for Peggy, the bombshell just hit all the harder&#8211;the woman he really loves had his child and gave it away? By then, he would&#039;ve wanted the child. If she had told him earlier, he probably would&#039;ve resented her and never grown to love her as he does now. It&#039;s rather twisted, actually, now that I think about it. And sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but it doesn&#039;t to me.  Professionally, where else is she going to go in her story arc? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sorry, but it doesn&#039;t to me.  Professionally, where else is she going to go in her story arc?</p>
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