Hidden in Plain Sight — This One’s For You, Salvatore.
This week Clay Aiken came out of the closet. For those of you who don’t give a flying fig about pop culture, Mr. Aiken is an American Idol runner up who has gone on to a fair amount of success, greater success than that year’s winner, due to a huge female middle aged fan base. Claymates.
For most of us who do follow pop culture, the typical reaction was, “Um, yeah, in other news — water’s wet.” Most people solved that little mystery years ago, and bloggers have posted about it as a given for five years or so. The more “legit” media also asked him about it on a number of occasions.
Then there was the “Ripagate.” Aiken was filling in for Regis Philbin on Regis and Kelly. At one point he put his hand over Kelly’s mouth and she responded by saying that was a “no no” and she didn’t know where his hand had been. The next day on The View Rosie O’Donnell called Kelly’s response homophobic.
Even though Clay Aiken was not officially out.
Bloggers who commented on his sexuality could count on Claymates showing up to defend him against the “vicious lies.” Now, I’m not aiming to debate whether it’s the job of the media to out celebrities, but I will say that I always figured Mr. Aiken was going to have a backlash from a small, but rabid portion of his fandom since even the suggestion he played for the other team was treated by this faction the same as if he was accused of child touching or puppy kicking.
The clear irony, for anyone paying attention, was that a gay man’s most ardent fans showed some clear signs of being virulent homophobes.
Because I found this all strangely interesting, and because I clearly have issues, when Aiken came out one of my first responses was, “Damn, I have to find out where these people hang out, the ones who even in the face of common sense and insurmountable evidence still thought Clay was just waiting for the right girl.”
And I did find a board devoted to him. The majority of his fans took the news in stride, “the writing was on the wall, wasn’t going to marry him anyhow, still like his music, I’m fine with it.” But, yes, there existed a percentage who were stunned by the news — and angry.
Of this group, the ones who were upset, most claimed to have no issue with his sexuality, but were angry that he lied to them and/or didn’t tell his fans before the mainstream media. There was a sense of personal betrayal, and also embarrassment that they’d spent years saying the rumors were wrong. It seems a few of them became a bit of a laughingstock.
But there were a few who were angry because their religious beliefs taught them that being gay is wrong. One woman conceded that he might not be able to help it, but that he should never act on those impulses. I imagine that the day before the announcement he would have been considered excellent marriage material for her daughter. The woman’s avatar was a picture of herself with The Sinner Who Must Now Chose Celibacy Unless He Wants to Burn in The Fires of Hell Forever.
When it was pointed out to the disappointed that perhaps it was a difficult choice for this man to come out of the closet, one of the responses was that being gay is No Big Deal Anymore. Unfortunately, the very thread they posted in belied that assertion. For some people, it’s still a very big deal, a huge enough sin to make some people turn their backs on someone they’d worshiped for years.
It’s 2008 and it’s still possible in a world of Queer Eye for The Straight Guy, Will and Grace, and La Cage aux Folles, to miss that a very fey man who doesn’t date women and who opted to have a baby with his best friend might be, you know, gay.
When we step into the world of Sterling Cooper in 1960, and we meet Salvatore Romano, we are meant to see what most of the inhabitants of the world cannot — that he has a crush on his neighbor in the hammock. We also can chuckle at the obviousness of some of his lines, but most of us also figured out the Clay Aiken thing. And there are probably a couple viewers who missed the point with Sal.
It seems to me that what was at work, at least in some cases, both in 1960 and 2008 is the feeling that gay people have horns and a tail or scream deviant in some way, and so other clues might be missed. If gay is bad and Sal seems like a decent guy, then Sal can’t be gay. If gay is sinful, and Clay Aiken is known for working with children’s charities, and he’s a Christian to boot, then how can he be gay? And even if someone IS gay, why do they have to flaunt it and complicate things?
Today, most straight people expect to meet LGBT people as a matter of course. It is accepted that they’re not some exotic other, but rather part of the human community, hence the reason most people now have a heightened sense of Gay-dar and wonder how anyone could have been oblivious about Liberace.
I have a couple tattoos and I love them on others. I will be the first person to compliment someone on interesting ink. I don’t know how many times I’ve commented on a tattoo only to have the most staid and professional looking people in the area roll up a sleeve to show off their own art. And I don’t know how many times I’ve read or heard people say that tattoos are for low class people and will be prohibitive to anyone wanting to rise above the most blue collar of professions.
Here is the thing: being tolerant is like flipping on a light switch. You simply see things that others don’t. The reason I see the bank president’s Bettie Page tattoo is because I’m open to it. The reason someone else does not is because they don’t welcome that revelation. And from that you can extrapolate why there are so many people convince their are no gays in their family tree. Most people don’t rush to share their secrets with people who make it clear they don’t want to know about them.
Salvatore Romano isn’t really in the closet so much as he’s standing in the center of the room, but it’s too dark for the people around him to really see him, perhaps for him to even fully see himself. He’s not sharing the information, but the same behavior today would be tantamount to a confession. The good news is that the future is brighter, but the bad news is that his old age will find him in a world where there are still way too many shadows.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:37 am
I knew it
September 26th, 2008 at 9:34 am
I love a good underdog story. I remember the first time I saw Clay audition. I was amazed and kinda thought of him as the “Geeky, red haired guy” and watched happily as he grew and made Simon eat his words.
I am one of those people who absolutely love Clay Aiken’s music (own the albums). I am not a fanatical fan or a Claymate. Never saw him as a sexual object, just a great voice. Just a honest lover of music that moves me. His “Solitaire” moved me and I was hooked, just like my more teenage girl reaction to David Cook’s “Hello” (Love him for much more, shall we say, hormonal reasons. But I understand a lot of “cougars” felt the same way. yes, I will be lining up for his November album)
I was convinced that Clay was Gay, and felt the pity for him I feel for Sal. That he was a man denying himself real love because of his self denial of his true nature. But I am extremely open minded and want people to just be able to love! As long as it isn’t underage, another species and hopefully not someone’s spouse, or okay let’s add close kin to that, I say just let yourself love.
The way I saw it, poor Clay seemed to get pretty odd over the years. I actually felt most of it was because he was closed off, and it had turned into eccentricity. I mean the guy got instant fame over night and the scrutinty has got to be unbearable.
I am extremely proud of him for letting himself “out” of his stuffy closet. I hope it inspires him to record some really good albums, cause his last was kinda not up to his credit. I also hope it inspires other people to be honest about themselves (Yes, you Queen Latifa, and um mm, George Clooney).
And Darkly, hell with the tattoo snobs! I don’t have one, but am considering getting a small one of my son’s name on my ankle. I am a older, over-educated, middle class woman and if I choose to let my freak flag fly and ink a little celebration of my choice, more power to me! I always make a point to compliment good ink in my profession and you would be surprised at some of the people I see with tats. But I still shudder a little at the piercing, I just hate long needles.
I think Sal is just not totally aware yet. He knows what he is feeling, but is afraid, which was pretty honest for that time. He is hiding from himself as much as the others. His reaction to the suggestions from his dinner guest last year showed that. I think Sal is in for some major stuff in the sexual revolution to come.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:37 am
I just have to give a quick shout out to “The Office” last night. Jim proposing to Pam in the rain made the hair on my arm’s stand up. I love when television makes me emotional. That is why I love MadMen too. I want to see Peggy get love like that.
Also, because Rich was on The Office, it is a tie in. Way to Go Rich Sommers!!!!!. You are now part of 2 of my obsessions!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Lovely post, Ms. D.
I’ve found that a common response from people who don’t have well-developed gaydar to people who do (and/or who are queer themselves) is, “you think everyone’s gay.” Because when you believe that hardly anyone is gay, and then someone starts pointing out that gay people are in fact everywhere–part of the human community, as you say–well, it doesn’t seem possible!
My mom used to say this to me a lot: “you think everyone’s gay.” Now I swear her gaydar is better than mine; she’s always telling me which celebrities are gay before I’ve even thought of it.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Also, I think it’s a real credit to the writing and direction, as well as to Bryan Batt’s awesome performance, that Sal can be obviously gay to many members of the audience from his first appearance on screen, that other audience members slowly realize he’s gay, that still others probably still don’t realize it, and that we can see that most if not all of the other characters don’t see it.
I just really love Sal.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:00 am
I did a post onProperty of a Lady about how clueless people are about Teh Gay, and how cluelessness itself is an expression of homophobia (I used Clay as the example, it was when those ladies were suing his record company or something). Of course, Claymates showed up to defend him.
Clay’s was the only season of American Idol I ever watched (or ever will). I rooted for him from early on; the little geeky redhead with the giant voice. I loved him, and he’s had more success than Rueben Stoddard, the actual winner.
I’m writing from my undisclosed location in Kentucky, and my connectivity isn’t good at all, so I’m not going to look up my Property of a Lady post right now, but if you go over there and do a search on Clay Aiken, it’ll come up. It’s one of my better posts, I’m pretty proud of it. Submitted it to an anthology one time (and it was included!).
September 26th, 2008 at 10:02 am
My reaction to celebrities coming out is usually somewhere between “Duh” and “Huh”. I can’t say that Aiken is any different. I don’t watch Idol — bad singing is almost physically painful for me, and pretty much guaranteed at least once per show — but even I couldn’t avoid hearing that song about being invisible a few years ago. Kind of a dead giveaway, no? Unless he’s a big fan of comic book superheroes which, who knows, he might be as well.
As far as the “Claymates” go, my only exposure to them was last Spring when I went to see Spamalot in New York. There was quite an interesting dichotomy between my friend and me, who had gone to see the Monty Python show in which Aiken happened to be acting, and the row of middle aged women in front of us, who had gone to see Aiken and freely admitted that they had no real interest in the show for its own merits. Don’t get me wrong, the guy did a good job — better than I expected, actually — but it didn’t really warrant all the tweeny-bopper twittering every single time he moved.
I can sort of relate to the surprise some of them are feeling. As sixteen-year-old, I didn’t realize that one of my closest friends was gay until he told me. In hindsight I think that maybe I was trying too hard to not fall into the trap of stereotypes, because I met him in ballet class, which a lot of people would point out as an obvious clue. He was a devout Christian like Aiken, and ended up having to find a new church to attend when he came out to his congregation and was rejected for it. I know how painful that was for him, and we lived in a small-ish city, so I’m not surprised at all that it’s taken so long for Clay to come out to the public.
In regards to Sal, I think you’re right on the mark. He’s not equipped to see the truth of his feelings and deal with them. His society considers it to be a mental illness, and he’s clearly not crazy. For Sal and the people around him, his affectations and eccentricities can all be chalked up to the fact that he’s an artist. Artists are weird, man.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:09 am
I really love Sal too, he is my favorite character. I know it is early to speak of this, but Bryan Batt better get Emmy consideration next year for his nuanced performance of Sal. It must not be easy to play his character although some may argue that Bryan is gay and Sal is gay so what is the problem? The problem is that he is not playing ‘just Jack’ (in Will and Grace), he is showing the ambivalence Sal must feel. Bryan Batt has consistently shown the ability communicate to us the very things Ms. D is describing in this post with just one look or gesture (the stolen lighter). Last season’s encounter with the Belle Jolie rep and this season’s dinner with Ken were very difficult yet beautifully executed scenes.
[also, on topic-ish: I haven't followed Clay Aiken's career much, but from what I have seen it sure doesn't surprise me he came out. What I find interesting as a Queen fan, is that some Claymates behave much in the same way as a fraction of fans of Freddie Mercury who just refuse to believe he was gay, despite the clues, and just thought he was just looking for the right girl. It seems that for these fans (both Freddie's and Clay's) talent is secondary to the ability to breed.]
September 26th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Thankfully, we are at a point (somewhat) that people can come out of the closet without fear of being arrested for loving who they loved. A fate that the Sal character would/could face in 1962….
Clay being gay is no biggie! The guy can sing! Though I don’t consider myself a Claymate, I’ve been a fan of Clay’s voice since that first audition. That big voice coming out that tiny body he had was a sight to behold!
September 26th, 2008 at 11:28 am
I think for the obvious gay person, who refuses to come out for their reasons. But you just get a strong sense of something is not right with this picture.
I shall refer to it as Claydar.
I have great Claydar, but lousy Gaydar. Have hit on men a few times in my past single life who I found out were gay.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Lovely Lipps, you ae t give some love to our Rich Sommers. He looks as if he has been casts as the new Jim-like friend of Pam at art school. He looked so cute in modern attire.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Yes, lovely post. Bryan Batts acting was amazing. He and the actress who plays Kitty both broke my heart. I couldn’t watch most of the marathon but I saw that part esp. cleaning up in the kitchen. The way Sal was looking at Kitty and the emotion and puzzlement and pain. Kitty just killed me when she said some people find me interesing and Sal is dying b/c his character loves his wife on the one hand, but . . So then Sal offers Kitty a night off from kitchen duty, put your feet up I’ll bring you a slice of pie. And Kitty genuinely loves Sal and wants to accept and believe, and I think Kitty does not quite see she just knows something is wrong, so she goes and sits down and accepts this gesture. I can practically start crying for these characters that is how good the writing, acting, the whole package is. This is quite a story line.
September 26th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
The relationship with Kitty is lovely and tragic. I don’t see Sal as a man who made a calculated move to get a “beard,” but as someone who really wants to be the sort of guy who could be happily married to a woman. I think he married Kitty in large part because he cares about her deeply, and they’re very compatible, actually. In a different time they would be best friends and Sal’s man would be a little jealous.
September 26th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Bryan Batt is a great choice for the role, because he is a big, very handsome guy, and clearly is in the Rock Hudson mode. (Little did we know at the time…) I worry that this could get very messy, either for Kitty or for Ken, but I also think he’s too important a character to imperil too early in the game. He’s sort of the Christopher Soprano of Mad Men: you’re going to need him around for a long while.
I was talking to my mom recently about whether people back then had “gaydar.” She spent time in retailing and in the theater, and definitely could tell. But she said people were extremely circumspect, and that if you recognized someone as gay, you never mentioned it. Only once in a blue moon would they confide in you, too. But she said her gay friends were wonderful company.
September 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
The Google ad that popped up for me is a quiz to see if I’m secretly gay.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I found it very interesting to contrast how Salvatore reacted to Kitty’s expression of feeling left out, a parallel to Betty’s ‘You embarrassed me’ statement to Don.
Salvatore LISTENS, PAUSES, FEELS, AND VALIDATES what Kitty is expressing to him.
He then offers some behavior on HIS part (doing the after dinner clean-up) to help ameliorate for what has happened to Kitty.
Salvatore is feeling, expressing, and acting on EMPATHY.
Don has NEVER expressed nor acted with empathy towards Betty nor his children.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Great article, and Batt’s store Hazelnut - http://www.hazelnutneworleans.com/index.htm - on Magazine in NOLA is so great I wish I had a home to decorate!
September 26th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
@JohnR very perceptive.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
I miss typed it should have been:
Don has NEVER expressed nor acted with empathy towards Betty nor **THEIR** children.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I more of less agree with you John R. However, I think Don has acted with empathy on occasion. He was very compassionate toward Betty in Shoot. I also think that his decision not to spank Bobby is a sign of that — he knew how it felt to be beaten by his father and he knows his son is a good kid. In Hobo Code he woke his son up to promise never to lie to him, although that was a pretty futile promise.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
@JohnR: I respectfully disagree that Don’s not shown his children empathy. If it’s one thing Don’s done it has been to show affection to his children, especially Bobby. Recall how Don he checked in on them and hugged Bobby when Bobby told Don they’d have to get him (Don) a new daddy….
September 26th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
That scene of Bobby telling Don that they “would have to get him a new Daddy” totally still chokes me up. Don also hates to hit his kids, even though Betty keeps telling him to punish them.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:56 am
I am fascinated by Sal and all those like him. I can’t imagine having to live that kind of double life, even though I know it was the only way to live for someone gay. I think he knows he’s gay, but he thinks he can control it. He had a brief near fling with Ken, but quickly realized it would never work.
I want to see more of Sal’s social life. What I’m hoping for is a scene of Sal in a gay bar, a dark smokey place, where you can barely see anyone’s face, and everyone’s one edge because they know at any moment the police could come in and arrest them, thus destroying thier life/career. The place would not be raided when Sal is there, but it is an everpresent threat. He has a one-night stand, and comes home to Kitty, making an excuse that he had to work late.
September 27th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Sal’s sensitive, genuinely caring effort with Kitty is such a contrast to Don’s reaction to Betty. Don’s reaction is to gaslight Betty and deny her experience of reality. “I can’t talk to you when your’e like this” Don says. When Betty is like what? It is a wonder Betty isn’t completely nuts being treated that way.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:27 am
As someone who came out pretty late in life - age 33 - I completely understand that the decision to come out is a personal one and cannot be rushed. I am also thrilled that, except for those few Claymates, Aiken’s coming out has generated a collective shrug among most Americans - the sun rose in the East that day, too. It’s quite a contrast to Ellen’s coming out just a decade ago, which clearly hurt her career for several years, although she’s bounced back better than ever. We are finally seeing a culture where celebrities can be openly gay and it’s no big deal - in the case of Neal Patrick Harris, Portia DeRossi and TR Knight, they can even be openly gay and play heterosexual romantic roles.
At the same time, it does tick me off when the media continues to treat being gay as some horrible shameful secret, and won’t report on the clearly gay personal lives of celebrities. I mean Lindsay Lohan could not be more obvious, but all it takes is her publicist denying that Lohan confirmed her lesbian relationship (didn’t deny the relationship, mind you, just the confirmation) and the media reacts like they made a mistake. For crying out loud - the two make out regularly in public! I would love to see a world where there is no “coming out,” it’s just accepted that LGBT exist and anyone might be. So good for Clay; if his experience is like mine, an enormous weight has been lifted off his shoulders, and the weird part is he wouldn’t have even realized the weight had been there until it was gone.
Switching topics to Bryan Batt’s amazing performance - I agree with all the accolades. What is brilliant about his characterization is that Batt is NOT playing a closeted character - someone living a gay life in private but publicly covering. Sal’s situation is far sadder. From Season One we know that Sal understands his basic nature, but he won’t allow himself to act on it. He isn’t simply covering being gay, he is actively denying it, trying to do everything he can to be the straight man he’s expected to be. We can see the truth, because his essential nature shows through. His co-workers can’t see it (and his wife probably can’t conceive of it, even though she can sense something is wrong), because of the time Sal is living in. In 1960, any overt mention of homosexuality was banned under the Hayes code for movies, so gay people were barely known in the culture. It was only with the release of Advise and Consent and the Children’s Hour that people began to see depictions of “normal” people who could be gay, and both the main gay characters in these films were so ashamed they committed suicide.
I really want to see where Weiner will take the Sal character. I can’t believe he will be happy married to Kitty, but I also don’t see him as a Harvey Milk-type character, openly embracing his sexuality at mid-life. My bet is some sort of accommodation - a divorce from Kitty and a discreet relationship - one of those people whose sexuality only becomes known to most when they die.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Just have to make a quick point about the lovely Kitty Romano….I loved that she had an issue with Sal and she confronted him at the nearest appropriate moment. She refused to wait, like, a year or two later! She also tried to engage in the conversation with Ken at dinner. She’s such a sweet, cool character and hopefully there will be more of she and Sal featured!
September 28th, 2008 at 1:53 am
***At the same time, it does tick me off when the media continues to treat being gay as some horrible shameful secret, and won’t report on the clearly gay personal lives of celebrities. I mean Lindsay Lohan could not be more obvious, but all it takes is her publicist denying that Lohan confirmed her lesbian relationship (didn’t deny the relationship, mind you, just the confirmation) and the media reacts like they made a mistake. For crying out loud - the two make out regularly in public! I would love to see a world where there is no “coming out,” it’s just accepted that LGBT exist and anyone might be.**
I’m not seeing that. The “legit” media backs off because they have to or they become tabloid journalists and have to start digging around in trash cans. The blogosphere, on the other hand, has accepted and spoken about LiLo as a lesbian for several months. It’s been a given on the ‘net for a very long time.
To me, it’s not that they’re saying that it’s a dirty secret, but Entertainment Tonight and that type of show can only take it so far if the celeb doesn’t want to discuss it.
I think celebs have to look at their fan bases. I’m sorry, but Clay Aiken connected early with a very Christian, very naive fan base. Of course, he had more sophisticated fans, too, but a lot of women went for him because he was wholesome. He had to accept that almost before his career began that coming out of the closet might harm him.
Ellen Degeneres had a similar dilemma — she also had the image of wholesome, family entertainment, only she didn’t have the benefit of having what she became to others. She had to become a trailblazer.
Ironically, Portia De Rossi had an easier path because of the woman she would one day marry, but also because she wasn’t “burdened” with fans who needed her to be a girl scout. She also came out while relatively unknown and so it was never front page news for the tabloids.
Lindsay Lohan has already burned all of her bridges as a Disney Princess Role Model, and that gives her more freedom.
Most people assume Anderson Cooper is gay, and he knows that, but he keeps his mouth shut because he also has an army of adoring grandmas who might lose their minds.
Basically, the thing that holds some of these people back are the people who claim to love them. Nice.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:42 am
I don’t know about others, but I just get a strong feeling that Lindsey Lohan is not really gay, but using the situation to fuel press. I mean, she may be having a latent female relationship, but I don’t picture her really “Out” of any closet. More power to her if she really is, but I just don’t see it.
I am very happy that Ellen’s relationship is celebrated. I wish Rosie could get the same kind of love, but I suspect she pisses off to many people.
I understand Anderson Cooper and George Clooney’s dilemmas. Anderson just wants to be taken as a serious journalist. To be open would jeopardize that with all the ignorance. The media that helps make him would place a label on him. And George, he has heart throb status. Look what it did to poor Rock Hudson when he came out.
The world that makes them, forces them into the roles they want to see them in. Not everyone is as evolved at the Basketcases. But these celebs decide how they choose to represent it.
Not everyone can be a trail blazer. For every Ellen, you have a Rosie. I adore Rosie. But her coming out doesn’t ge the fan fare that Ellen’s did.
The only pity of this whole thing in my mind is this. Somewhere is a teen, young adolescent boy or girl who is having problems coming to terms with what they were born, gay. They are looking for someone to look up to.
And it is nice that these young women can pick up a magazine and see Ellen and Portia beaming. That article in People was 100% like their articles about hetero celeb marriages. There was nothing exploitive about it.
I do feel People might have headline the Clay cover at “New Dad Clay Aiken” and not emblazoned a large “Yes, I’m Gay.” The headline kinda overshadowed his beautiful little boy. That was exploitive use of font. If were just about his sexual persuasion like Lance Bass, sure, that was Lance’s way of coming out. But Clay was mostly introducing his little boy to the world, and by the way, yes, he is gay.
Just waiting for the annoucement of Queen Latifah, Jodie Foster, and I am gonna say it, Anne Hathaway. (If you doubt me on that do a little research. The Italian boyfriend was a beard)
Most of the rumored gay men in Hollywood stay put. Little by little it has changed. I think Neil Patrick Harris coming out was great. The fact that he excels at playing a Mysognist Player is hilarious.
All in all, I have to say if anyone I know or I read about or watch comes out of the closet, even if it is the last person I could ever imagine was gay (yes even David Cook, whom I am sure is 100% straight) I will continue to buy their books, music, movies. I am a patron of all arts, no matter what sex they sleep with)
September 28th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I think LiLo does a lot of things for publicity, but I don’t think this is one of them. She was way too low key for too long, and then took baby steps in the public display department. There are still a lot of people who don’t know about this relationship, because she makes sly comments, but has not went all out to announce this.
Dunno if she’s gay, she could be bi, but Samantha Ronsen definitely likes the ladies. So, I think this relationship is real… for the moment.
Jodie Foster was taking steps to be more out, and then she broke up with her girlfriend.
Rock Hudson was another trailblazer, even though he didn’t have a choice. His coming out also involved a revelation that he was dying of a disease people have barely heard about and which was thought of as the Gay Man’s Disease. I don’t even recall him coming out so much as being outted.
September 28th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
@Elle: I understand this is a serious subject matter but allow me to have my fantasies about George Clooney, please!
September 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
LOL Kay, Okay. Enough said.
Yeah, I do think Samantha Ronson is gay, and little Lindsey is gonna break her poor heart.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/fashion/28gay.html?_r=1&ref=television&oref=slogin
Great article (with Bryan Batt in it) about Gay’s coming out in Hollywood.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Elleque, I read the article too. I didn’t know Bryan Batt was gay until I read the article. I had just throught he was playing a character on a show. It must be so surreal for him. There have to be moments when he thinks, “if I had been born decades earlier, this is what my life would have been like.” The thought must have crossed his mind at least once. Sal and Peggy are my favorite characters on the show. It’s great that we’re getting to see more of him this season.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
It was a really good article, and on CNN’s top ten list for the day. I was shocked to read some of the readers comments! Though I suppose I know those people are out there, and even more brave behind fake screen name on a website. It’s pathetic, but also lovely to read the response of people who aren’t jackasses.