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	<title>Comments on: Open Thread: A Night to Remember</title>
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		<title>By: Roberta Lipp</title>
		<link>http://www.lippsisters.com/2008/09/14/open-thread-a-night-to-remember/comment-page-10/#comment-14566</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta Lipp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, thanks. I wrote about it here: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lippsisters.com/2008/09/20/joans-fiancejoans-fiance/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lippsisters.com/2008/09/20/joans-fianc...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, thanks. I wrote about it here:<br />
  <a href="http://www.lippsisters.com/2008/09/20/joans-fiancejoans-fiance/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.lippsisters.com/2008/09/20/joans-fianc&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.lippsisters.com/2008/09/14/open-thread-a-night-to-remember/comment-page-10/#comment-14565</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Joan&#039;s fiance not being the same person - according to IMDB, it&#039;s the same character, but a different actor. The only male name that appears in the credits for both episodes (other than the names that I know go to other characters!) is &quot;Greg Harris&quot;, played by Gerald Downey in S2E1 and played by Sam Page in S2E8. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Joan&#039;s fiance not being the same person &#8211; according to IMDB, it&#039;s the same character, but a different actor. The only male name that appears in the credits for both episodes (other than the names that I know go to other characters!) is &quot;Greg Harris&quot;, played by Gerald Downey in S2E1 and played by Sam Page in S2E8.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen L</title>
		<link>http://www.lippsisters.com/2008/09/14/open-thread-a-night-to-remember/comment-page-10/#comment-14564</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To #449. Thanks for the reply, Deborah. This is why I love MM! Harry&#039;s evolution is in stark contrast to Peggy&#039;s. Harry gets a raise, then a minion. Peggy gets an office, then a photocopier. And yes, Bobbie is many things. Butch is high on the list. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #449. Thanks for the reply, Deborah. This is why I love MM! Harry&#039;s evolution is in stark contrast to Peggy&#039;s. Harry gets a raise, then a minion. Peggy gets an office, then a photocopier. And yes, Bobbie is many things. Butch is high on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Thewaywewere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thewaywewere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Jon and Mad Men going to win tonight?  There&#039;s a lot of talk about James Spader.  Darn, he&#039;s got a few already. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Jon and Mad Men going to win tonight?  There&#039;s a lot of talk about James Spader.  Darn, he&#039;s got a few already.</p>
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		<title>By: Basket of Kisses &#124; Joan&#8217;s fiancÃ©=Joan&#8217;s fiancÃ©</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basket of Kisses &#124; Joan&#8217;s fiancÃ©=Joan&#8217;s fiancÃ©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been some talk this week about the scene in Joan&#8217;s apartment, about whether or not the guy in the scene is in fact [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duck probably came to the party late on purpose.  He arrived at the beginning of dinner/at the end of cocktail hour so he could avoid too much pressure to sit and drink.  When he is teased about ordering tomato juice, to take the heat off he mentions he will have wine at dinner .  At the beginning of dinner,when Betty asks if anyone wants wine, he takes a sip of water to avoid answering.  These are tricks that most sober alcoholics learn and practice well.  I don&#039;t think he is drinking.  If he was, he would be exactly at the point, or worse, that he was when he was let go from the other agency.  When recovering alcoholics go back to drinking, they do not do it gracefully, the go back in hell-bent.  It is a physical disease that takes over them, they can control how much or when they drink. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duck probably came to the party late on purpose.  He arrived at the beginning of dinner/at the end of cocktail hour so he could avoid too much pressure to sit and drink.  When he is teased about ordering tomato juice, to take the heat off he mentions he will have wine at dinner .  At the beginning of dinner,when Betty asks if anyone wants wine, he takes a sip of water to avoid answering.  These are tricks that most sober alcoholics learn and practice well.  I don&#039;t think he is drinking.  If he was, he would be exactly at the point, or worse, that he was when he was let go from the other agency.  When recovering alcoholics go back to drinking, they do not do it gracefully, the go back in hell-bent.  It is a physical disease that takes over them, they can control how much or when they drink.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Lipp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Lipp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen, welcome. No one has mentioned that, and you&#039;re right. But it has something to do with how men&#226;&#8364;&#8221;even geeky, awkward men like Harry&#226;&#8364;&#8221;are trained from an early age on how to play the Boy&#039;s Club game, but women are left out. Bobbie seems a little butch, doesn&#039;t she? It&#039;s because she plays in the Boy&#039;s Club. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen, welcome. No one has mentioned that, and you&#039;re right. But it has something to do with how men&acirc;&euro;&rdquo;even geeky, awkward men like Harry&acirc;&euro;&rdquo;are trained from an early age on how to play the Boy&#039;s Club game, but women are left out. Bobbie seems a little butch, doesn&#039;t she? It&#039;s because she plays in the Boy&#039;s Club.</p>
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		<title>By: hullaballoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hullaballoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #446 sdb: 
 
I agree. The dinner party had nothing to do with Heineken. Unfortunately, Betty didn&#039;t see it that way. She thought she was part of this elaborate ruse -- a set-up where she was the patsy. Duck and his big mouth. I swear, he reads situations about as well as Pete Campbell. Instead of complimenting Betty for putting out such a lovely spread, he gushed about Don&#039;s marketing prowess. Betty had spent at least a week planning that dinner, only for Duck to reduced it to some market research scheme, with her being the guinea pig. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #446 sdb: </p>
<p>I agree. The dinner party had nothing to do with Heineken. Unfortunately, Betty didn&#039;t see it that way. She thought she was part of this elaborate ruse &#8212; a set-up where she was the patsy. Duck and his big mouth. I swear, he reads situations about as well as Pete Campbell. Instead of complimenting Betty for putting out such a lovely spread, he gushed about Don&#039;s marketing prowess. Betty had spent at least a week planning that dinner, only for Duck to reduced it to some market research scheme, with her being the guinea pig.</p>
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		<title>By: sdb</title>
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		<dc:creator>sdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to two points above:

(1) The purpose of the dinner party -- Back in Maidenform, Don was speaking to Crab Colson at the country club, and Crab mentioned that life was not rosy at Rogers and Cowan (a PR firm).   One can only assume that Don later mentioned this to Roger, and that Roger saw an opportunity to woo Crab away from R&amp;C.   I don&#039;t think the dinner had anything to with Heineken, brainstorming, or anything else.

(2) Father Gill playing a spiritual rather than something like Bob Dylan -- Actually, it was not quite a spiritual; it was a song called &quot;Early in the Morning&quot; written by Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul, and Mary, which served as the lead-off track on Peter, Paul, and Mary&#039;s first album in 1962.   It was done in the manner of a spiritual, but was an original composition, like many of Dylan&#039;s early spiritual-like compositions.   As for Dylan, he was just debuting at the time as well, but did not really achieve any widespread acclaim until Peter, Paul, and Mary popularized two of his songs -- &quot;Blowin in the Wind&quot; and &quot;Don&#039;t think Twice, It&#039;s Alright&quot; -- on the top ten charts in the summer and fall of 1963.   PP&amp;M were at the vanguard of the folk/protest revival that Bob Dylan later embodied, and their debut album was one of the top sellers of 1962, spending many months at #1 on the Billboard charts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to two points above:</p>
<p>(1) The purpose of the dinner party &#8212; Back in Maidenform, Don was speaking to Crab Colson at the country club, and Crab mentioned that life was not rosy at Rogers and Cowan (a PR firm).   One can only assume that Don later mentioned this to Roger, and that Roger saw an opportunity to woo Crab away from R&amp;C.   I don&#8217;t think the dinner had anything to with Heineken, brainstorming, or anything else.</p>
<p>(2) Father Gill playing a spiritual rather than something like Bob Dylan &#8212; Actually, it was not quite a spiritual; it was a song called &#8220;Early in the Morning&#8221; written by Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul, and Mary, which served as the lead-off track on Peter, Paul, and Mary&#8217;s first album in 1962.   It was done in the manner of a spiritual, but was an original composition, like many of Dylan&#8217;s early spiritual-like compositions.   As for Dylan, he was just debuting at the time as well, but did not really achieve any widespread acclaim until Peter, Paul, and Mary popularized two of his songs &#8212; &#8220;Blowin in the Wind&#8221; and &#8220;Don&#8217;t think Twice, It&#8217;s Alright&#8221; &#8212; on the top ten charts in the summer and fall of 1963.   PP&amp;M were at the vanguard of the folk/protest revival that Bob Dylan later embodied, and their debut album was one of the top sellers of 1962, spending many months at #1 on the Billboard charts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a longtime lurker - love the site! I haven&#039;t had a chance to read all of the threads from this episode, so I appologize if this is a duplicate. Something has stuck with me for a few episodes now. Has anyone else noticed how our dear Harry is unknowingly following Bobbie&#039;s advice? He has picked a job and is becoming the person who does it. He is gathering more confidence. No more &quot;Mr. Sterling&quot; when he talks to Roger. Even though the job isn&#039;t exactly what he had envisioned, it is working out for him. I see him with a whole slew of staff under him if the clients don&#039;t miss Joan&#039;s &quot;work&quot; so much. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m a longtime lurker &#8211; love the site! I haven&#039;t had a chance to read all of the threads from this episode, so I appologize if this is a duplicate. Something has stuck with me for a few episodes now. Has anyone else noticed how our dear Harry is unknowingly following Bobbie&#039;s advice? He has picked a job and is becoming the person who does it. He is gathering more confidence. No more &quot;Mr. Sterling&quot; when he talks to Roger. Even though the job isn&#039;t exactly what he had envisioned, it is working out for him. I see him with a whole slew of staff under him if the clients don&#039;t miss Joan&#039;s &quot;work&quot; so much.</p>
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