Open Thread: The Gold Violin
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This is for anyone to discuss anything about this episode. You don’t have to be a “regular.” This thread is open early by popular demand.
Please read our comment and spoiler policies before posting for the first time.
September 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Ready, Ready, Ready. Am looking forward to seeing Salvatore’s home life. Also curious about Cooper’s new art peice. How much you want to bet it is very phallic?
September 7th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Also, who do you think Jimmy Barrett is telling that he laughs at them at night when he goes home? Maybe Don? Maybe Bobbie sic’d him on him after the whole bondage incident. Maybe that is why Jimmy invited the Drapers to his show. I am basing this speculation on the preview clip.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I am thinking he is talking to Betty.
Don humiliated Jimmy’s wife, now Jimmy is doing the same to Don’s wife.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
I wonder about the Jimmy thing…the preview gave me the feeling he knows, or at least suspects Don and Bobbie are sleeping together.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Just realized the MTV Awards are coming on tonight! Choices!
(Yeah, I’m still 12!)
September 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
In past years, the MTV VMAs have been streamed on demand via MTV Overdrive.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Hey folks. I won’t be watching tonight… I’m away at my brother’s and won’t be getting home until at least 11, maybe 12. And then, well, it’s a school night. So I won’t even be able to visit the blog until tomorrow night :- (
September 7th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
(It’s a slow Sunday, so I’m starting early… Don’t Judge Me!)
Tonight’s Joan-inspired drink: The Scarlet Sashay
- 3 pt pineapple-infused vodka
- 2 pt sour cherry juice
- 1 pt bing (sweet) cherry juice
- 1 pt cranberry juice
Shake w/ ice, then strain into a martini glass. Garnish with frozen raspberries, to keep the chill and add additional flavor as they thaw.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Joy! I just posted my Joan Holloway cocktail on another thread, but here it is:
OK, here’s my suggestion for the Joan Holloway:
Chop a couple of very ripe tomatoes and let them drain through a wire strainer to collect the tomato water. Save the tomatoes for the salsa. Combine in a cocktail shaker two parts vodka, one part tomato water, a dash or two of Tabasco sauce and a pinch of salt with ice cubes and shake. Strain into a chilled martini glass, run a twist of lemon around the rim and float a very thin slice of cucumber on top.
One hot but discreet tomato, slightly salty, but cool as a cucumber.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Slightly OT, but MM-related: A U of C Berkeley study reported at NewScientist addresses women dealing with overt vs. ambiguous/subtle sexism, finding that women sensitive to sexism may prefer to deal with overt sexists — “know thy enemy” as it were. I’m not one who buys whatever the latest study says (tomorrow’s may well say the opposite), but thought it might be food for thought among MM fans.
September 7th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Ooh, I like it Patti! Joan strikes me as a luscious cherry gone sour, one who can be intensely sweet yet still tart, which is why I went for a fruity drink. But yours is very era-appropriate!
September 7th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
I like yours too, Joy.
Hey Noah, are you taking notes?
September 7th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Also, the Sashay was cobbled together with what was in the fridge, so it’s not terribly complex - I would love to add in some intriguing liqueur worthy of Joan’s enigma…
September 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
@Kay:
VMAs, plus Serena Williams in the U.S. Open Final, which was postponed to tonight because of rain! So many choices…
September 7th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
I meant to add that tonight it’s good to be on the west coast.
September 7th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
So, I’m racking what’s left of my brain to guess which car in 1962 is the ‘I’ve arrived’ that Don buys. Jag or Lincoln? Vette or T-Bird? Bentley or Citroen?
September 7th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Could the piece of art possibly be an Andy Warhol painting?
September 7th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I want that tomato drink! Sounds yummy. The other one also sounds good, like a sweet & sour Cosmo.
As you all know, I will not be blogging until after the show. I actually had an afternoon nap so I should be on until midnight or later (Eastern time).
For those of you who don’t know, I live in a very vertical townhouse, and I have a desktop, not a laptop, which is upstairs, whereas the TV is downstairs, so there is no blogging during television.
But there may be drinking. You all are inspiring.
September 7th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
cliff-that’s what I was thinking. The phalic thing sounds more interesting though. Joy and Patti-there needs to be a “Noah” section for MM inspired drinks. You guys make me want to drink these concoctions right now, but it is Sunday and I live in a dry state. I will be prepared next week and join everyone!
September 7th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
I can’t come up with anything else that would attract someone’s interest that much. It could be something phallic, but was there anything popular in the 60s that truly was phallic? We’re slowly easing out of the 50s lifestyle and into the 60s lifestyle, I think something phallic wouldn’t really put the time period a step ahead like a Warhol painting would. There’s a huge link between Warhol and advertising (and also Marilyn), so it would be sort of upsetting to find out that Matt didn’t take up the opportunity to include him during a year that was the beginning of Warhol’s true career. I can’t wait to find out what it is, though, I’ve been racking my brain about the possibilities. I feel as though something phallic wouldn’t match with Cooper’s taste, although it would be funny, but he doesn’t seem the type to be out-dated with art especially since he wasn’t out-dated with Rand literature-wise.
September 7th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
im curious about the car too!!! and the art.
@cliff - interesting on the spec about andy warhol given his early career was in advertising. however, his most famous pieces debut at the end of 1962 and that included the marilyn piece. also cooper is a huge fan of rand and japanese art……im very curious.
as for cars, im not sure which he will show up in. my husband is an exhibition designer and this past year designed an exhibit for the museum he works at called The Great Age of American Automobiles he’s interested in seeing what don rolls up in too! BTW, my favorite cars from the exhibit were the 59 Cadillac Cyclone and the 63 Chrysler Turbine. The exhibit was wonderful, aside from the 5 rarely seen cars on exhibit there was a beautiful display of concept car drawings and period advertising artwork. am i gushing? hehe
perhaps the chrysler 300? muy classy.
counting down and waiting for my ice cream delivery. cant wait to read everyone’s comments.
September 7th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Andy Warhol’s famous exhibition was in November of 1962, so it is not inconceivable that Bert Cooper could be a recipient of an early work. This exhibit featured the Marilyn screenprints and the Campbell soup cans among other things. As Cliff mentioned, Warhol did a lot of advertising work in the 1950’s. He was an illustrator. By the way, those soup can paintings sold for $1500 each - worth quite a bit more these days!
I don’t know how to do links, but the information came from Wikipedia.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
im gonna flex my art history muscle - warhol, good choice. im gonna put robert rauschenberg or jasper johns out there as possibilities.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Week 2 of being stuck in a hotel room and unable to watch until the iTunes DL.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I thought a tomato-y drink would be good because Joan is a hot tomato. Also to a homage to her hair.
I could picture Cooper going for Warhol. You know, strange as it is, yo never hear Cooper go on about women. He seem to lack the sex drive of the guys. Could it be that Salvatore is not the only closeted man.
Cooper could be our Dumbledore?
I mean there has to be some closeted ther employees at Sterling Cooper.
I think your right, it might be Betty that Jimmy is talking about. Maybe he makes them the butt of his jokes in his show.
I told you that woman (Bobbie) was not going to go away easily. I still picture boiling bunnies. She definately is a “Hell hath no fury kinda” woman.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
@Ellelque, my thoughts also on Bobbie and Jimmy.
On theme that hasn’t appeared yet in MM is the effect of one’s actions on one’s family. In so many cultures the shame you bring onto yourself is also your family’s shame.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
*One theme*
September 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Just gotta say this - Right now got MTV awards on.
Currently Britney Spears, Hills chicks, Spiedi, Paris Hilton, Miley Cyrus and the like all in the same place. If a large meteorite came down from the skies at this very moment and hit that place. Our level of entertainment in this world would go up about 50 IQ points.
Sorry, just had to say it. Tired of them taking over my magazine & TV.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
So, could you imagine if Jimmy let’s Betty know that Bobbie and Don have been playing pants pool together. Now that would create an interesting tableau.
Don would be riding the couch at night for quite a while.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
When Cooper says to Don “You know I know about you” (or something like that), maybe he is talking about Don being a womanizer. I feel he knew about Don and Rachel and now Don and Bobbie. Maybe he just wants to tell him to stay away from clients’ wives.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
last season pete ratted out don’s past to cooper
September 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Yes, I think he is referring to Don’s dual identity.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Anyone else a little nervous about tonight’s episode?!?
Can’t wait to watch it, but the previews are quite ominous!
September 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Cooper didn’t seem to care about his dual identity last season. Why would he care this season?
September 7th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
The edits for previews always leave a lot of mystery. I hate waiting a whole week for the next episode.
You know Lipps, you should do an open thread when the Emmy’s play this year. I would love if we could all blog the awards and fashions.
Curious to see what Christina Hendricks wears.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
He didn’t care, but it doesn’t mean that old Cooper will not pull that out of his hat when he needs it. Info is power. He may use it to show Don he had his back, or get Don to sway his way on something.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
rose - he didnt care at the time possibly because the information was of no use to him then
September 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
He could use that info to make Don stay at the agency, should he think about going elswhere in the future.
Don could never go anywhere if his Dick secret came out. (no double entandre intended.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
I’m here and will be on during commercials…as usual. Since the title is The Gold Violin, do you think that’s the art piece that Cooper has? Kind of an odd title but we are all smart people so I’m sure we’ll figure out what it means.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I googled “Gold Violin”, came up with a company that sells things for older people.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I think you’re on to something Jan.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
That “Pearl Harbor” ending always makes me misty eyed. I absolutely love Affleck in that movie.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
@John: I thought Don’s getting schnockered and going AWOL during Sally’s birthday party brought plenty of shame upon Betty, leaving her to explain his absence and confront all those knowing glances. I also wonder if Betty would be more accommodating of Don’s dalliances if he were more compassionate and open toward his family. Don has definitely been reaping what he’s sown since the end of last season.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Here we go!!!!!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
I think that Cooper is not the kind of man to hold something over someone. It goes against Rand’s philosophy. Doesn’t it?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
God, that car is beautiful… this is my favorite era of classic cars.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
That car dealer looks like Fred Astaire
September 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
I’m so excited! I’ve been living on a freaking mountain in Virginia and now I’m in New Orleans and can finally participate in these!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Don sold cars!!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
I like Don’s big hair.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Oh, shit! I was hoping they’d have someone looking for original Don one day, and here it is.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Did he sell them or is he wondering what if?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Ewww… creepy old man pickup line. Here’s a tip, Roger: never reference your teenage daughter when hitting on a pretty young thing.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
He’s very much alive!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
LOL Joy! I guess she is immune to the old Sterling Charm.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Oh Pampers! World’s greatest invention.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Peggy-better clothes, but the ponytail returns.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Product placement in new mother kits? How prescient, Paul…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
On a slightly side note… Went to Bryan Batt’s store, Hazelnut, yesterday and it’s amazing! Makes me wish I hadn’t just graduated college and had a job, paycheck, and home to decorate!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
its a pollack or de kooning
September 7th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
a rothko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! beautiful
September 7th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Wow, Ken has some depth. I think Salvetore is in love.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Peggy = Jackie in the Daytime
Jane= Trouble
September 7th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
WTF?! Who *is* this chick?! What kind of agency did they scrape her up from?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Joy, no worries you know Joan will straighten her shit out.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
you know Joan will straighten her shit out
*grin* That’s my girl…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
well my husband called it! once they said 10k and abstract expressionism we threw out three names……a rothko is very fitting for cooper
and also, while i would have loved a rauschenberg or johns, they were too current. cooper would want to make an investment in art, something that has made it…..which seems to be this week’s theme as don’s car is supposed to show he has made it
September 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Salvetore is going to develop something for Ken. I see it coming. Of course Ken responds to stroking of his ego.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
The Smiths were all over Jane…there goes that theory about them. The tall one is still impossible to decipher.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Delicious hot and brown…. clever…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Hee! “Shorten your attention span”…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Just checkin’ in!
Delicious, hot & brown! Idris Elba? LOL!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Jimmie is definately up to something! I sense it.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
“I think I should hang up now. My dadd–er, husband doesn’t like me talking to strange men.”
September 7th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I’m a little confused as to where Betty’s balls from the beginning of this season went?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
i could write a whole post on the rothko piece and i will….later.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
I laugh everytime I see Brad Pitt get punched!!!!!!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Wow, I didn’t know Ken had it in him with the feeling the art thing.
I agree with others comments about Sal developing a crush on Ken. I’m glad they are giving those characters some story. I feel like we don’t know much about Ken. I wonder if Jane will ever become interested in Ken.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
and what about that don flashback?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Yes, I loved that Don flashback, miamimiami!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
ugh, 3 more hours until I can watch….thank god my colts are playing tonight!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
I think Jane has Don in mind. He is the only guy in the whole office who has not hit on her so far. He is a challenge.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Duck is very aware of that alcohol.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Cooper definitely reminds me of the Wizard of Oz…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Ohh, boy. Buh by, Jane!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Jane is such a liar!!!
Ouch!!!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Nice reversal of Joan’s line to Peggy in S1E2!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Don’t mess with Red! You’ll get burned.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
I wonder how long it takes Betty to plow the new deVille into the neighbour’s birdbath…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Oh No she did int!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Jane=Trouble
Jane=Biatch
September 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Hmmm…Jane’s a smart (if treacherous) cookie.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
She is going to cause Joan so much grief! I kinda like this lying little hussy. She is going to spice things up if they keep her around.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
but now jane owes roger……
September 7th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
and owes him her you know what…..
September 7th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I like Jane!! Put that viper Joan in her place!
And she’s a brunette! Yeehaw!!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Elleque, I like Jane, too, even though she lied to Joan. As much as I like Joan, it’s fun to see someone not really be intimidated by her like the other secretaries seem to be.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Joan + Jane = Catfight
rawr.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Ugh, that sucks - some ignorant man overriding a woman’s authority within the tiny little realm of power they allow her.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Does anyone sense a theme this week? I haven’t got it yet. Too many different kinds of storyline. Maybe how one percieve things or other people is different? Paintings, roles, people?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
I’m not surprised that she went to Roger. You know she figured he would talk to Joan about letting her stay especially since he keeps flirting with her. Joan is going to hit the roof!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
the theme my love is - Hello, i have arrived.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I like seeing Joan with a little competition. She acts like she is the queen bee.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
and that goes for jane, the car and the painting - all status symbols and symbols of power
September 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
So far, I don’t get what the heck the title of the show means. Maybe we will find out in the next segment.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Joan’s been on my “shit list” since insulting Sheila! I’m sick of Joan’s condescending attitude to everyone! Jane’s younger and has the arrogance of youth on her side!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Salvetore acts like he is going on a date.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
One theme is young people not wanting to be told what to do.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Thinks Salvetore did the decorating.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
i mentioned in another post about how the couples apt’s are decorated and how it reflects their personalities……salvatore is not letting me down
September 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
OT: How are my Florida peeps doing? I hear “Hurricane” Ike’s ’bout beat some ass!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Title solved.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Sal is from Baltimore and he’s known Kitty for years.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Kay, have you seen episodes S1 E6 and E10? Those are my favorite Joan eps, and they reveal that her personality is far more nuanced than “Bitchy Queen Bee”…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
We should do this more often– Disregard our children…. Oh wait…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
if ikes gonna beat my ass, at least i got see mad men! and im stocked up and boarded up just in case….no, im not nutty, i have a 10 month and im five months pregnant……got to be careful
September 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Great outhouse story!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Oh, boy. More driving under the influence.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Hey, pick up that trash!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Ewww! Just throwing his beer can. I grew up with the Indian (Native American) crying commercial.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Cuban babies! Lucky Miamimami! I bet they are cute.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
And littering
September 7th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Litterbugs!!!!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Now we know why it’s called The Gold Violin.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Salvetore is flirting. Poor Kitty.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Joy….You mean Babylon when Joan showed her ass in the 2-way mirror! And Long Weekend when she dissed her lesbian roomie? Yeah, I saw them! And still dislike Joan’s ‘tude!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
the ten month old has papi’s blue eyes and my brown hair. lets see what the stork delivers this new years…..
September 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Poor Kitty!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Well, this is uncomfortable. I wonder if Kitty knows/ senses something?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Oh noes, is Sal going to DR Ken? o_O
September 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Date night at Salvatore’s house, only Kitty’s not included.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Miamimami! Are you running from these damn things too? Figures I moved from Ohio to New Orleans 4 days before I had to evacuate! I’m not built for this!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Im in Tampa. If Miamimami don’t get the shit, I will.
Poor Kitty.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
No definetly no pie for Salvatore!!!!No pie ever!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Yup, Kitty knows something.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Oh, sad as it may be. Salvetore is a more caring husbands that the straight one. Ironic!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
@Mami and Papi and Bebes…please take care!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
What about kissing her on the lips, Sal?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Pine nuts and pineapple? Yeeeurgh. That’s 1960s cuisine for you.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
He does love her, you can see that. He just can’t help being from the other team. Poor Kitty and Salvetore.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
None of the characters on this show are as they seem, which is why I love it.
Do you have a favorite character, Kay? Obviously you dig Sheila (and I hope we see more of her - I’d love to see *her* confront Joan!), but anyone among the regular cast?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Ellelque, true, but poor Salvatore! He could be a good husband for a guy and be a lot happier and so would Kitty, really. It’s just sad all around. I am glad that they are finally showing his story line. Never would have thought of Ken the pimp being in it.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Aw, I like Kitty, she’s seems to be so sweet and cute. She had a look on her face when Ken lit Sal’s cigarette, didn’t she?
Although it was naughty of Don and Betty to litter, I sure did love that dress she was wearing.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
I want them to have Ken fall in love. I would love it if they had him try to woo Peggy, Pete would shit.
Anyone notice that is a Pete free episode?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Yeah, Kay if you had to be stuck on an Island with Joan or Betty which one would you chose? Oh and Don rescues you.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
@Joy….I’d say Don Draper, in slutty mode! LOL! Not the wacky Ward Cleaver version that made me sad!!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Snerk!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
“I’m being watched!”
Speaking of paranoia, has anyone seen Marge this season? She and Lois were my favorite secretarial extras!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Jane 1 - Joan 0
September 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Marge? She’s the one who does the progressive insurance commercials—the one who “once thought she’d find a husband here”?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Jane is an *excellent* foil for Joan! She’s doing a much better job of it than Bobbie:Don.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I was wondering when we’d see her gorgeous blue dress!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Don in a tux is teh sex!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
I’d choose Joan. She has more meat in case I have to turn cannibal.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Nice tux!
The name is Draper… Don Draper.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Yup - I felt their comic relief kept the show from getting too dark and soapy.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Ooooh shit.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
OMG!!!! Jimmy is gonna spill the bean!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Runaway SAB! - Blind fool
September 7th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Wait, is Sal’s mom living with them?
September 7th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Poor Kitty! Maybe Ken can work the young Mrs. Romano over!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Sal totally filched Ken’s ligther.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
I would totally take Betty over Joan on an island. Joan fascinates me, and I admire her brazen self-confidence, but she’d scare the hell out of me if I had to interact with her on a daily basis. Plus, I could con Betty into making me coconut dinners and doing my laundry twice a day…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Burn!!!!!!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Thank God someone called his bluff! Even if it was asshole ‘comedy’ boy…
September 7th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Crap, meet fan.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
That’s some awkward silence in the car.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
That’s a loooong drive back up to Ossining.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Is Don on this island?!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Nice one SAB!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
OOH!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Oh, that was unexpected and unpleasant….
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
LOLOLOLOL, so much more appropriate than crying in the car!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
HAHAHAHA. “Break it to me gently” JUST after Betty throws up. Honey, Don makes us nauseous with his manwhoring ways as well.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
What an ending… I LOVE this show!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
No, Kay Don will rescue you after spending time with them.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
That’s worse than Silly Putty.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
My question was if you had to be stuck on an island, who would you chose btw Joan and Betty?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Peggy has a serious widows peak…. My granny always said the girl with the widows peak was the girl who won Miss American.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Yikes! I wasn’t expecting Betty to barf.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
In his New Car! OH next week, she lets him have it.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
LOL, Karl! You are right. Throw up is much worse than silly putty. And to think she did this in his brand new car. So much for the new car smell.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Is Betty pregnant?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Don is such a slut! The Unfunny Comic stole the show! He told homeboy go to a ‘ho but not another man’s wife! LMAO!
September 7th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
John, I think she is just responding to what Jimmy told her about Bobbie and Don.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Where did Peggy go?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
i HOPE betty’s pregnant—-Drama Drama Drama!!!
September 7th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
BTW, “The Gold Violin” story is classic MM: “Perfect in every way… except it can’t make music.”
September 7th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
So The Gold Violin is “practically perfect in every way” just like Mary Poppins. Remember that line from the movie?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Where did Chauncy go too?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
ACD, Kay, Elle:
just watched the 11 advisory - miami and tampa look spared from Ike. key west not so much, but my family has already evacuated. its really over cuba and will be going through the gulf and then its anywhere from mobile to texas
September 7th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Men, you blame our crabbiness on periods, and nausea on pregnancy. Sometimes vomit is just vomit, and anger is just anger.
Nope, she is in turmoil because she knows Jimmy was right. It maifested into a stomach ache. Or maybe Don’s a crappy driver.
Poor Peggy in the bathtub. She looks to alone and unhappy.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
I’m so glad Jimmie said something to Betty… and Don.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
And why do Jane and Joan have to have similar names? Seriously?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
SAB’s just mad that Don went to some woman she considers ‘low class,” like Bobbie!
Still, fingers crossed Don’s gonna keep cheating! I can’t take him being “good!”
September 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Time for me to say good night. Looking forward to next week’s show. Have a great week, everybody!
September 7th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
My hubby has a lot of freinds and family in Cuba. Mountain area of Holguin. So we are on pins an needles for them.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
i think this episode was all about the theme of arrival which is directly linked to power.
as we discussed last week - don’s world is slowly unraveling.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Best Ending Evah!
I enjoyed Harry’s interaction with Coop and the Joan/Jane face-off. Joan was looking so pale that she was almost translucent. Glad to see Peggy included in the “young people” during the Martinson coffee meeting (see, I remember the name because of the dopey song!). Duck is SO drinking again. Poor Kitty.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Jane and Joan…there’s also Trudy and Judy, the Cambell wives
September 7th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Night Jan, night everybody - I’m off to bed as well!
September 7th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Based on the aired teaser, looks worse for Peggy next week.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
I think they decided to give Joan some real competition. She needed it. It will give her more conflict.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Can we please bring back ‘Dig this.’ into young people slang?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Thank you Miamimami… Everyone I know in OH called to give me a weather update for Gustav, as if I wasn’t paying attention! I don’t want to wish it on anyone else but I hope it misses NOLA…. Actually I hope it just magically vanishes into the gulf…
September 7th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Jane is either the new storyline for Joan, now that she’s not with Roger. Or things will go south with Joan’s engagement too… and we’ll really see some drama.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
elle - we just saw video footage from Baracoa before the storm hit - the surge and waves were at some points were 10 feet high and already flooding. it really doesnt look good. im sorry to be the bearer of bad news. watching the footage brought tears to my eyes because we know they dont have the same resources. i still have family in cuba.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
@Elle: I hope your hubby’s peeps are OK! Ike looks scary as hell!
@Mami: Good that Miami will be spared! Can’t believe the Gulf again!
September 7th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Good night JAN and JOY! Ellelque, I’ll say a prayer for your family. And Ms. Darkly, I hope that you are out of the hotel and back watching with us next week.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
I think young people now “Digg this.”
September 7th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Better than “What’s up Dawg!” or that Hizzy Jizzy stuff. Felt like I was watching a foreign country during the MTV awards.
Good night all, my eyes are very tired from a long day at work. Will get on more tomorrow. Great speding time with you.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
i am not going to speculate about betty being pregnant. and since i am, morning sickness isnt quite that projectile…
last season she was experiencing anxiety and stress. that spontaneous vomitting seemed more anxiety induced.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Midge, Marge, and Margaret. Also, Peggy is often a nickname for Margaret.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Jan, Joy, Elle….y’all have a good night!
September 7th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Question before I go. Did Roger ever do anything after he talked to Jane? Seems he forgot and Jane kinda bluffed her way back into the job. She didn’t know and Joan didn’t know.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Oh yes, would the term coffee-colored girls be racist today? That is a line in the coffee song. Me, I’m a Latte with extra cream.
Hubby is a Cafe Con Leche!
September 7th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
elle: you are too funny
September 7th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
SAB’s whiff of Anti-Semitism….She’d really lose her lunch if she knew Don “lowered” himself to an affair with Rachel. Bwahahaha!
And every 7th episode of MM ends with vomit! WTF?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
The gold violin is perfect in every way, but it can’t play music. Like Don’s life: appears perfect on the outside, but isn’t what it seems. He isn’t happy. Like Salvatore’s marriage: it looks perfect from the outsider, Ken’s, point of view, but Sal knows and Kitty suspects that it is a sham. It isn’t what it seems.
Betty is this beautiful package, but underneath it all, she is “profoundly sad.” And I think that her vomiting onto herself and in Don’s new car was a wonderful visual of her being this perfectly beautiful thing on the outside, only to have it tarnished by what’s inside (her life, her mind, etc).
September 7th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
re: Britni - Another image of the beautiful package but with “garbage” underneath was that picnic scene with the Draper family. Here’s this gorgeous family on a picnic, but underneath is both literal and figurative trash.
Another interesting theme is this whole idea of “just being” and “just feeling” coming into vogue at that time period. It seems to directly contrast everything the characters are about. Each of them seems to be unable to “just be” or “feel” — i.e. Salvatore, Pete, Peggy, and of course Don.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Students for a Democratic Society - Port Huron Statement 1962 - written in part by Tom Hayden. Where were you in ‘62?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Miss Who: I read another review that pointed that out, too, which I completely missed. It also mentioned Cooper’s painting, which everyone thinks is related to his taste and his aesthetic, but is really just an opportunity to make money.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Nice catch, farnham.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
I wonder if Kitty knows John Waters? He would have been 16 at the time, but Kitty would fit right into Hairspray which was also set in 1962. And the whole gay thing (i’m assuming, I never heard Waters mention his love life).
September 7th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
I was thinking about the Baltimore/Waters connection too (and so very, very, out and about gay).
September 7th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
waters is out out out
love very early waters films. divine was a huge fan of Liz and based her early look on her.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
best ending evah!!!
poetic justice!
what great writing this show has, I would love to be a fly on the wall during a writing session
September 7th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Wait, so in season 1 we assumed that Sal lived with his mother (when Lois was listening in on his calls), but now we learn that Kitty came when he moved his mom up from Baltimore. So theoretically, if Sal was on his own in NY for a number of years he would have had plenty of opportunity to explore his gay tendencies. Hmmm…I’m thinking we need a Sal- the early years flashback.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I was also thinking about the Jimmy/Betty thing. Betty thinks that Jimmy likes her, but in actuality, he is just playing her to get back at Don. Don had Jimmy’s wife, but Jimmy can never have Don’s wife. If he can’t get back at Don that way, he can seduce Betty with the attention that he know she loves, and then burst her bubble of her perfect marriage.
Don got him everything he wanted, but he did it by screwing his wife. It’s not that Jimmy even cares that Don was screwing Bobbie, but he cares that he could never be like Don and do what and who Don does. He envies that. Like he said, he’s lucky he’s funny, or he would never have gotten anywhere or anything in life like he has.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Jackie,
I saw John Waters at The St. Paul which is a hotel in, um, St. Paul. He was clearly a guest at a wedding and I heard him refer to the gentleman at his side as his husband.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Wait, John Waters is gay?
And I don’t think Sal explored anything. Remember how he reacted when he was propisitioned? He is too afraid. His Mama, his job, and just all of the pain that goes with coming out.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Unfunny Comic probably feels Don got as far as he did, not by hard work or intellect, but because Don’s handsome. We viewers know Don used the real Don’s credentials to get ahead. And Goodness knows what or who else he did to get ahead! BTW, I find Jimmy devoid of humor!
September 8th, 2008 at 12:01 am
Jimmy isn’t funny! It’s not just his lines. It is his delivery.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:02 am
John Waters is totally gay, wrote a great intro to TN Williams memoirs…. Whether that was a facetious comment or not, his memoir (TN’s, I mean) is great.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Sorry, my sarcasm doesn’t translate well online. I always forget to put a : ) or a ha ha. I love John Waters. I think he is brilliant! Early stuff was incredilby disgusting, but it made people think.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Ms. Golightly you can do no wrong, great name, great input… It’s all there….
September 8th, 2008 at 12:08 am
For me personally, tonight’s theme was about arriving and the power that comes with it.
there were a few comments that really stood out:
“People buy things to realize their aspirations; it’s the cornerstone of our business. Between me you and lamppost, that thing should double in value by next Christmas” Cooper and
“Philanthropy is the gateway to power” Cooper
earlier this evening there was speculation about whether it would be a warhol. that seemed to obvious, which is why i decided to go with rauschenberg or johns. once there was a mention of abstract expressionism there was an immediate click in my head. my husband and i speculated on three possibilities - husband won out with Rothko. Rothko’s most prolific period and when he officially arrived in the art scene was the late 40s and during the fifties. While this is about a decade before the setting of this show, it usually take about a decade before an established artist is really considered an investment. High end buyers INVEST and also, it reflects status. Ten thousand dollars in 62 is alot of money. especially for a piece of art. Cooper is showing how long ago he arrived.
Its once cooper has the talk with don that don decides to purchase the cadillac. That purchase is interesting because at the beginning of the episode you see that he was a used car salesman. how many times have we heard the sleazy used car salesman comment? talk about don draper arriving when buys that cadillac.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Ms. G…Your posts are always on point!
September 8th, 2008 at 12:13 am
and yes, early john waters was disgusting - but it was brilliant. i love female trouble….mink stole playing a little girl
September 8th, 2008 at 12:13 am
I really, really enjoyed tonight’s episode of Mad Men. Alot of great moments and it keeps getting better in each episode. I liked especially the opening scene with Don and the car saleman. I don’t think Don was quite ready to buy the car just yet, although I could tell he definitely had his eye on it. The flashback scene was a great touch. The look on Don’s face when the lady told him that he was a hard man to find and then telling him he was not who he says he is was absolutely a great moment in the scene. But when Don came back to the lot later in the episode, I knew right then, he was ready to buy that car.
I am really beginning to like the new secretary Jane alot. She is definitely not afraid to break in to Cooper’s office with the guys and show them the new painting. They all thought she was not afraid at all to break the rules. Fantastic!!! I also enjoyed the conversation with Cooper & Harry. I could tell Harry was not there just to go over the numbers, but to give Cooper his opinion of the new painting. But my favorite scenes were with Joan & Jane. I was definitely rooting for Jane in tonight’s episode. She definitely is giving Joan a run for her money and having the guts to stand up to her. Absolutely incredible. I also enjoyed the scene with Sal & Ken at Sal’s apartment (which I thought looked absolutely fantastic). Definitely another great moment in tonight’s episode.
It was great to see the party scene at the club with the Barretts and the Drapers was fantastic. That was my favorite part of the episode. I had a feeling Jimmy would definitely find out about the affair. I felt so bad for Betty at the very end of the episode when she barfed in the brand-new car, although a great way to end the episode, I could not help but feel for her.
All in all, great performances by Jon Hamm, January Jones, Bryan Batt, and Christina Hendricks (just to name a few). They all gave some really fantastic performances in tonight’s episode. I am really looking forward to next week’s episode.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Kay and ACD1985- thank you! I was afraid my sarcasm had caused trouble again. Thank you for the warm fuzzies. (no sarcasm there)
And thank you miamimami for the art information. I know very little about art.
I liked how Cooper called people into his office for their deep thoughts about the art work. And he really just sees it money/an investment and has no sentiment about the art. That was great!
September 8th, 2008 at 12:23 am
@Mami…Pink Flamingos and Female Trouble are gross but damn funny! John Waters can do no wro