A thought or two about Carol

 Posted by on June 16, 2008 at 8:40 pm  Characters, Season 1
Jun 162008

Carol does not apologize or express shame she actually comes up with a pretty honest and straightforward and well targeted pitch. None of that Shirley MacLaine sturm und drang.

Of course, she does suck up Joan’s ‘let’s pretend this never happened’ (which I’ve always considered a reasonable and surprisingly kind response, considering the information they had back then). And she does participate in some miserable self-destructive and self-hate-inspiring behavior. (Spoiler behind Curtain #1)

Thanks Simone (comment below) for this clip.


  4 Responses to “A thought or two about Carol”

  1. Here is a clip from of The Celluloid Closet featuring the coming out scene in The Children’s Hour…Even though Carol does suck up to Joan, I think there is evidence of her sadness when Joan leaves her to get the “professor” to “fix her light fixture” which then compels her to hook up with the “dry sink” loser.

  2. Simone, thanks; awesome. I've added the clip to the post.

    I haven't seen Celluloid Closet in years. Now I will be officially addicted to that youtube section. I love MacLaine's commentary on it. And yup… 1962.

    No doubt, Carol is a tragic figure. I'm just saying there was some dignity to her efforts.

    The episode (Long Weekend had it as an underlying theme. Not only was the Joan and Carol scene back to back with Roger trying to get the twins to kiss (ewww!!!!!!!!!!!!!), but earlier, Betty was talking about Gloria's son:

    Huntley. He was my brother’s age. He was always funny.

    So you had the trifecta. Homosexual as an oddity (Huntley), homosexual behavior as a perversion/kink (twins), and the reality, sad as it was.

  3. Thanks for the look at the Carol/Joan scene. When the episode aired I was thrown by what seemed to me to be Joan's complete non-reaction, as if she hadn't understood a word of what Carol had said. Watching again I can now see Joan carefully absorbing it and just as carefully framing a response that will get them both gracefully out of the situation without pain or humiliation. Joan is a genuinely sophisticated woman in her understanding. Very subtle work by Christina Hendricks.

  4. Mel, what I saw this time that I hadn't seen before was that Joan never looked away from her. You see Carol speaking, and the camera is behind Joan, so you're not seeing her face, but she stays with her.

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